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    Posted: 05 January 2010 at 10:26am
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Normal. We get the throwing things as an expression of anger/frustration here too. Generally I just leave her to it as she has the right to feel angry and can't express it verbally yet.
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Can I ask what it is about his "angry" behavior that is triggering enough of your own anger to call him a sh*thead?

It is definitely normal behavior, toddlers don't have the same coping mechanisms as we adults do and when they are experiencing a new situation or emotion it is pretty intense for them - and thus they find ways of coping that can seem pretty intense to us in turn.

It is also pretty normal for them to take out their frustrations on the ones nearest to them, but again we are the adults and have to be very aware of what our own responses will teach them.

I know you have a wee bubba to look after too, but are you making sure you get some time to yourself each day, even if it is just in half hour blocks... like a nice hot cuppa and a magazine, or an uninterrupted shower? The more calm we can be, the easier it is to deal with these kind of stressful experiences.

We have been through this too, and it will definitely pass.
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Originally posted by HippyMama HippyMama wrote:

Can I ask what it is about his "angry" behavior that is triggering enough of your own anger to call him a sh*thead?

It is definitely normal behavior, toddlers don't have the same coping mechanisms as we adults do and when they are experiencing a new situation or emotion it is pretty intense for them - and thus they find ways of coping that can seem pretty intense to us in turn.

It is also pretty normal for them to take out their frustrations on the ones nearest to them, but again we are the adults and have to be very aware of what our own responses will teach them.

I know you have a wee bubba to look after too, but are you making sure you get some time to yourself each day, even if it is just in half hour blocks... like a nice hot cuppa and a magazine, or an uninterrupted shower? The more calm we can be, the easier it is to deal with these kind of stressful experiences.

We have been through this too, and it will definitely pass.


Basicly what I stated, plus other things, and just to clarify, I would never call him one to his face or with in ear shot, thats me mearly letting out my frustration, to myself..

Yeah I try and have time to myself, I try to get them both to have a sleep at the same time so I have little while to have a cup of tea etc and when my DH gets home from work I often have a shower then so I can relax a bit before the bedime rotutines start etc

Its really him hurting himself on purpose that worrys me and when he hits DH, he doesnt hit me or Isabella, just his dad! No idea why, Dh always plays with Caden and they have fun.

When he packs a tanty I ignore him, unless he starts wacking his head on something, then I stop him and try distraction.

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I know how you feel Sheen , I think mothers are under this impression that we have to love and like our kids at all times, loving them , is usually a lot easier than liking them , and just like any other person , sometimes they can really suck .
There are plenty of times when I think C is being a sh*thead,it doesn't mean I don't love her , doesn't mean I wouldn't die for her it just means, that every so often , I've learnt I don't have to like everything she does .
I know how much you love Caden and Bella , and I know you would consider them your greatest treasures, so I know that if Caden's behaviour is bothering you that much for you to call him a less than flattering nanme , its because you are reaching the end of your rope , which is OK , its alright to be stressed by behaviour like that ..its tiring, especially with a small baby to contend with as well .
As for what you asked tho, yes, it will pass, no you don't have a demon child , atm hes most likely feeling confused, up til a few months ago he was the only baby , now all thats changed and since he can't verbalise it very well, hes taking his frustration and confusion out in the way he does know how, physically .
Be gentle with him , because it is stemming from uncertainty , but still be firm , don't allow him to get away with it, you'll just make a rod for your own back .
Chin up babe ,it'll pass (and you'll move onto even more fun years ! wooop !!! ) your doing a great job


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Thanks Kelly

Yeah we are firm with him when he does the hitting etc, like when he hits Adam, we say "No Caden! Its not nice to hit daddy" and then we will say "loves for daddy" and like stroke Adams head softly so caden can see us being gentle.

When he hurts himself on purpose, Im not sure if I should tell him off or comfort him I cant ignore him when he does that because he could really hurt himself bad!

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He might be hurting himself like that because its those occassions where he does get attention from you vs the other tantys.
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Yeah thats true Stacey..
I guess its hard to ignore though when he is smacking himself in the head with a matchbox car..

I could try ignoring him when he does that too then and see if that makes him stop doing it.

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you could tell him not to hit himself with his cars etc so they dont get broke.

a lot of mothers swear by the technique of acknowledging and naming the emotion... saying to him i know you are angry/upset/annoyed etc but we dont do *whatever the behaviour is* . how bout we go and do something else - then maybe suggest something that he likes doing that you can do.


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Thanks Deb, thats a good idea, I will try that next time. He is really grumpy today because he isnt feeling well
He loves his Mega Blocks, so I will use that as a distraction.

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I found the boys both got into this angry/frustration thing before they started talking. Like, they knew what they wanted to say, but they couldn't and they would get really angry when I wouldn't understand. Passed....oh so slowly it seemed. But pass it did.
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I found to a degree Spencer has improved as his language has improved so often he can ask for help or tell me he is hurt etc rather than getting angry. Obviously still sometimes he does just let fly, as he's older I normally will say something like "you can either stop doing that or go to bed" 9 times out of 10 he does stop, but Caden might be a little too young to get that concept.

I've also found that before using timeout it's quite effective to use whatever they want as the leverage, so if he's playing outside and misbehaves I tell him he will have to go inside if he does again or if he is getting angry with his toy cars and throwing them or smashing them into things (sometimes Kyle) then I will threaten to take the cars off him. It's only if that then fails that we resort to time out, and he goes straight to timeout for hitting or pushing.

With him hitting himself maybe each time he does it you could remove the toy from him and then place him somewhere he can't hurt himself until he calms down and make it somewhere where he can't see you/get attention. And if poss calmly take the toy off him and remove without speaking to him at all. Just thinking that way he might realise he gets less attention for doing and stop, maybe, might be worth a try, if nothing else it will give you a few minutes to regroup.

But in short all toddlers are sh*t heads

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lol Marisa
I just laughed out loud at that and Caden laughed at me laughing

Thanks for the tips I will give them a go, I can put him in his cot with no toys or anything and shut the door when he is having a temper tant.

He hasnt hit Isabella on purpose out of anger yet, just his dad But no doubt that day will come!

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I think you have been incredibly honest calling him a sh*thead! We tend to say "so and so have been a right little.....ratbag" when we really mean to say "so and so has been a right ltitle prick today" I know what you mean.

Sorry no advice other than get out of his way when he takes aim
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lol Nikki! Thanks and I did um and arr about the sh*thead bit, I decided to say it cos thats how I felt!! I

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love it cuppatea:) (and agree)

i totally get what you mean about that word too.. it didnt make me think anything other than you are wondering what is up with your boy.!!:)

E is the same though doesn't hurt himself..doc told us with could be teething(something about aligning the jaw) or frustration.. and of course he's(caden's) had big changes lately...

so hard for you when he hurts himself though ..i get that:(

time out works for us too.. even though i swore that it would never work mostly it does..
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we just put him in his room(through lack of anywhere better in our house) and shut the door.
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Yeah th cot is the only place he can have time out at the moment. He is going into a big boy bed in about a months time and then his room will be made very very boring, so he will be able to have time out in there.'

Thats interesting about the teething thing K.A, he is cutting the big molars and I suspect the eye teeth are on their way too! He has 3 of the molars, and I can see the gum bulging where the 4th is coming through.

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I just thought I'd come back to clarify that I wasn't trying to infer that the OP had anything less than absolute love for both her children.

It is more to the point that I feel when we get to the stage where our kids behavior brings about such strong emotions in us, and reactions including using strong language (whether it is within their earshot or not), it is often a sign that there is something going on within ourselves too (and not solely about their behavior) that needs to be addressed.

In terms of where I'm personally coming from though, I guess I have recently been feeling more aware of the origins and intent of language we use to insult people (or vent our frustration at them) - kids included. I know I'd get a bit irritated if one of you called me a sh*thead (even if not to my face), not to say that I don't ever use that kind of language or think really rotten things about my kids on occasion - nobody is perfect after all.

It actually seems to me like a testament to how well you do take care of your kids Sheza, in so far as Caden feeling loved and secure enough to let out his frustrations rather than just bottling them up.

The older he gets the better he will get at coping, especially when he enters a more verbal stage.



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yeah i dunno whether it was true but E stopped headbanging after his really sore teeth came through...

Hope you have more luck than us....big boy bed hasnt worked so far!

E's room has books still in it but by the end of the minute he's calmed down and sometimes is reading one...i dont mind..but i guess would be better without any books:)

yeah see i dont agree with PP... about it meaning we have something that needs to be addressed.. I think as in this case..it's just been a rough few months and his behaviour is testing the limits.. and venting here is a safe and mature option i think!
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