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    Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:32pm
The reason I ask is that Michaela was an early talker (she said her first word at 5 mo) and by her 15 month check she was saying several words and beginning to talk in sentences. She was developing quite a good vocabularly when suddenly she stopped talking. She now uses a lot less words than she did 6 months ago, it's like she's forgotton how to say them.

I'm not actually worried about it. My mum says I was an early talker too and then I stopped talking for about 10 months until suddenly at 27 mo I had a language explosion and went from saying nothing to using full sentences and able to give intelligent responses etc.

I suspect Michaela is the same because personality-wise we're very similar in many ways (the words stubborn and perfectionist come to mind). I also think she is a shy and introverted child, I was too (although those that know me probably won't believe it - my mum worked hard to push me out of my comfort zone) and I suspect that the fact that we moved last November out of the home we'd lived in since before she was born has played a part.

I know that her hearing is fine because I've done little amateur test to see if she can hear and understand me (because my nephew was recently diagnosed as deaf since birth, he's 6 years old and can hear some sounds and also learnt to lip-read which is why it wasn't picked up by the specialists earlier). Michaela can hear me, follow instructions, and communicate effectively without using too many words.

I really don't think we should force it on her, I think we should continue positively encouraging her but let her talk in her own time. Really, once she starts she won't stop and we'll look fondly back on the time before she could talk.

DH is really worried. The only other child we know that had a limited vocabulary at this age is our nephew. Also many of the words she uses wouldn't be found in a dictionary but I did point out to him that she is saying things we can understand and that's what's important atm - correct pronunciation will come later (although I know a few adults, and many adolescents that can't use proper english).

The other thing that worries him is all the other kids her age are like little parrots, repeating everything they hear and talking all the time, rattling off in sentences.

I also think part of the reason he's worried is because he's SAHD and feels that any perceived developmental failure (even if it isn't really one) is his personal fault.

He googled it last night and came home with pages and pages of info much of it from other forums suggesting that children like Michaela are probably autistic. Thanks google!!

So here's a list of things she says, let me know what you think (bearing in mind it's more than I said at her age - as I keep on telling her I'm more stubborn than she is ).

Mum
Dad
Dadda (means Nana)
Hi
Di (means Bye)
Turtle
Ow (means No)
Our car (it's said as one word)
Car
Me (she's just started saying this today)
Cracker
Tul (means Bottle)
sss (means Yes)
Mmmm-hmmm (also means Yes)
Baba (means baby)
Ta
Purple
pupple (means people)
Papark (means park)
ticktickle (means tickle and accompanied by wiggling fingers)
there
there-it-is (as one word)

eta: I've remembered a couple more words

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I have forgotten how old your little girl is but I think she's around 18mos or less? I wouldn't really worry about her speech until after she is 2yrs old. It may just be that she has 'gone off' talking as it were, or if she has had a cold recently she might have slightly blocked ears from that. Whatever the case, I'm sure she'll pick it up again when she's ready.

Kryssi is 15mos and is saying
please, thank you (these two probably only because she copies the older girls lol)
mum
daddy
shane
drink
see-ya
dinner

and like your little girl, a lot of them are just random-ish syllables that we've heard repeated until we've figured out what she means
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I think Michaela is 2 now Busymum?

I'm not sure but from what I see in kids that age I think that is within the [very wide] acceptable range? not sure though as Elle is 19mths and is a talker.
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Originally posted by busymum busymum wrote:

I have forgotten how old your little girl is but I think she's around 18mos or less? I wouldn't really worry about her speech until after she is 2yrs old.


Michaela is 2 yo (turned 2 at the start of april)
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She's probably about to have a Plunket check-up then, so you could ask them?
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She had her plunket check in March and the plunket lady thinks she should be saying more than she is and told us to come back if she wasn't saying 60 words by June.

The thing is I disagree, I think she'll talk in her own time (remembering that I went through a non-talking age too) or she'd talk if we forced her to say words we know she used to say (like juice, please, god bless etc) but I don't want to force her.

I've also pointed out to DH that she is physically advanced - I don't know many other 2 year olds that can catch balls, climb rock climbing walls, dangle from a flying fox as it's moved along (just for eg). She's dynamite at the playground, she ignores the toddler areas and if she sees an older kid doing something she decides she can do it too (and usually does).
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How often does she hang out with other children? We have found that Charlottes vocab is huge and I honestly attribute it to being in day care and having exposure to other kids. She is just about full on talking now that she is in the over 2 year old area.

I probably wouldn't worry too much. And if you are still worried in June, definitely take her back to the Plunket nurse and see if there are any tests or specialists that you can see just to give you piece of mind.

The fact that you stopped talking then started again later on leads me to believe that perhaps she will do the same - genetics and all that!

(PS: Would love to get the girls together very soon - are you busy this weekend???)

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That's probably a very valid point. DH doesn't take her to playgroups during the week very often and we do gymbaroo for an hour on saturdays but the children interact with their parents rather than each other and it is movement focussed learning.

Would love to get the girls together - I'll email you.
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Gremlins don't talk. Well, they probably say more than I give them credit for, but they are not huge talkers and like Busymum, most of what they say are random syllables that they repeat until we get the message. Altho they do have a couple of two word sentences: thank you, all gone and Sienna's fave, get out!

Compared to Maya at the same age tho, they say bugger all, she was an early talker and had a huuuuge vocab from very early on. On her second birthday we have a video of her singing herself Happy Birthday, all complete and correct and clear as a bell. The gremlins will be lucky if they can even say "birthday" at this rate.
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Personally I'd try not to worry. I have had moments of stressing about Joshua's language development, and really from what you've said she can say I think that she is doing just fine.

Joshua is almost two and says the following words:

Mummy
Daddy
Mama (grandma)
Turtle
Juice
Block (ice block)
Spot
Car
Tu (used for both truck and train)
Wo-Wo (used for both bus and wheels)
Shoes
Socks
Star
No
Mine/My's
Pye (bike)
Hat
Eyes (used for eyes and sunglasses)
Knees
Tummy

Possibly a few others, but not that many more that Michaela.

Unfortunately the "losing" words is a common trait in autistic children, but if you were exactly the same as a little one then I really don't think it's anything you need to be worrying about at this stage.

Does she interact with other children well when she does have the opportunity? Mebbe you should have a talk to your DH about getting her involved in playgroups or even a day or two at daycare.... It really is an important part of their young development, being with other kiddies.

Big hugs - I know how worrying it is when you think there might be something going on with your wee one.

Looking forward to meeting you and the gorgeous Michaela!
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PMSL about the happy birthday Emma. That is so cute. Michaela just grinned at everyone and basked in the attention.

Clare - what is it with the word Turtle? It's not like it's a common thing to see (like truck or car) but it's one of Michaela's words too. She used to say kiwi in a really high pitched voice which was super cute.

She does seem to interact well with other children, as much as any of them do at the parallel play age. She obviously watches and learns from other kids so I think putting her into playcentre or daycare once per week would help.
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I've wondered the same thing Jo - but the way he says it is soooooooooo cute I guess its quite an easy one to get their mouth round.

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It is really cute, that's probably partly why they say it - for the reaction they get from adults and older children.

Recently we spent the weekend with some of her cousins and Miss 8 and Mr 6 spent a lot of time pointing out turtles and finding things that were purple just to get Michaela to say those words.
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I don't think Rhyley says alot but it could also be a boy thing. Brooke was such a good talker (she could say her alphabet at 22months - I have the video to prove it as I forgot how early she said it)

Rhyley says
there-you-go (as in one word)
Mumma or mumm-meee
Daddy
ta
woof woof
uh-oh
No (and also shakes his head)
Yeah

(also had to edit this as remembered more words)

but little else, I am not too worried as he babbles alot in his own language and hes only 17 months old. INfact happy to not have another chatter box (LOL Brooke u use to switch off from)

ETA: Rhyley understands heaps though and most things you tell him to go/do etc.... which is amazing to see that he understands.

Some one says later on about strengths and Rhyleys would have to be his motorskills - he is VERY co ordinated. Going to be a great sports man according to my family - much to proud sport orentanated Daddy (DH)

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Ok Zaara is a bit older that Michaela like 5 months and she has picked up many words since her 2nd birthday...see if I can remember what they were...

Mumma
papa
Nana (My Dad)
Nani (My Mum)
Aaji (Atish's mum)
Kaku (Atish's brother)
Uncul (My brothers)
Baba (my auntie)
Bottol
dog
cat
horsey
Elephent (but learned to say it properly a few months back)
Pingu
tiger
piggie
plate
cup
go away
stop
quiet
toys
mickey
minnie
dona duck (Donald duck)
goofy
daisey
cuddles

Many more (cant remember now)


Sentence:

Letgo outside (lets go outside)
My bike
My Toys
no cream on face mumma
I don like it
luv woo
don cy baby (dont cry baby)
baby cying mumma
zaara get ouchy
wher papa mumma?
Aaji/kaku/nana coming mumma??
we stay here
we go home

etc etc

She has picked up many many more sentences now in the last few months and is talking alot!! She is even opening up books like slinky malinky now and saying "jump high off floor, swang handul, open door" but just a few weeks ago.

But at 2 she did talk quite a bit....however she stared really late so every child is different and she goes to day care where she is exposed to loads of people and children (cant take all credit for her talking ability)

Please dont worry, you will see that with in few months she will talk heaps and then you will ask your self why oh why??



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I talked to our plunket nurse last week about Alex's lack of talking. She is going to refer him to a specialtist if he hasn't improved in 4 months. He is almost 2 and a half and the only words he says are:

ti - kitty
de - daddy
tra - car
tra - truck
grin - green
bllu - blue (said without opening his mouth)
daa - duck
daa - stuck
be - baby
ow - no
dee - teddy
poo (typical he gets that one right!!)

There are a few more, but none that he says correctly.


So basically he can't say any words properly. He says bits of words. I don't think he has a hearing problem. Still I am getting worried, as I thought by now he would be saying more.
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We just had our Paft teacher here. We had a music dvd on when she arrived, and she said singing/music is really good for language development. You could try a local Mainly Music group. Sessions are usually 1/2 hr once a week and held ina church. There are several dads that regularly bring there kids along to the one we go to.
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Oooh I sooo need to get Ella into one of those, Kellz.

I agree, MrsMojo, about her focussing less on her language if she's focussing so much on her physical development.  Ella's always been a real mover, and yep, Plunket have said her language and hearing don't seem up with the play.  Hearing - well possibly it isn't, but we're looking into that still, and language, well she goes through phases of learning new words and just sticking with the ones she's got.  And she's 'lost' words too - we used to constantly hear about the "cat, CAT!" but she won't say it at all now, even though I'm desperately trying to convert her back to one of her first words, as she's calling it a, ahem, pussy, now.  I think just like in school where some kids are great at PE and find English hard - why wouldn't toddlers have their own areas of strengths and others that take their time developing? 

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Ollie is nearly eighteen months and barely talking at all. I also am stressing about it but I do know that like Andie said he has been focusing HEAPS on his physical development. I asked the doctor and they thought things were fine but have referred him to a ped. and for a hearing assessment just in case. I am sure his hearing is fine though as he knows at least a hundred words and can point to them around the room or in books. He also can instructions. He just doesn't want to say words!!!
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Not to contradict CuriousG but a school teacher I know told me that she has noticed in her classroom that the clearer talkers are often the ones that engage in conversation with their parents, not just kids their age.

As for the boys, I know it's common for boys to talk later than girls. Hope you all get answers though
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