How much does your toddler talk?
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Topic: How much does your toddler talk?
Posted By: MrsMojo
Subject: How much does your toddler talk?
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 8:32pm
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The reason I ask is that Michaela was an early talker (she said her first word at 5 mo) and by her 15 month check she was saying several words and beginning to talk in sentences. She was developing quite a good vocabularly when suddenly she stopped talking. She now uses a lot less words than she did 6 months ago, it's like she's forgotton how to say them.
I'm not actually worried about it. My mum says I was an early talker too and then I stopped talking for about 10 months until suddenly at 27 mo I had a language explosion and went from saying nothing to using full sentences and able to give intelligent responses etc. I suspect Michaela is the same because personality-wise we're very similar in many ways (the words stubborn and perfectionist come to mind). I also think she is a shy and introverted child, I was too (although those that know me probably won't believe it - my mum worked hard to push me out of my comfort zone) and I suspect that the fact that we moved last November out of the home we'd lived in since before she was born has played a part. I know that her hearing is fine because I've done little amateur test to see if she can hear and understand me (because my nephew was recently diagnosed as deaf since birth, he's 6 years old and can hear some sounds and also learnt to lip-read which is why it wasn't picked up by the specialists earlier). Michaela can hear me, follow instructions, and communicate effectively without using too many words. I really don't think we should force it on her, I think we should continue positively encouraging her but let her talk in her own time. Really, once she starts she won't stop and we'll look fondly back on the time before she could talk. DH is really worried. The only other child we know that had a limited vocabulary at this age is our nephew. Also many of the words she uses wouldn't be found in a dictionary but I did point out to him that she is saying things we can understand and that's what's important atm - correct pronunciation will come later (although I know a few adults, and many adolescents that can't use proper english). The other thing that worries him is all the other kids her age are like little parrots, repeating everything they hear and talking all the time, rattling off in sentences. I also think part of the reason he's worried is because he's SAHD and feels that any perceived developmental failure (even if it isn't really one) is his personal fault. He googled it last night and came home with pages and pages of info much of it from other forums suggesting that children like Michaela are probably autistic. Thanks google!! So here's a list of things she says, let me know what you think (bearing in mind it's more than I said at her age - as I keep on telling her I'm more stubborn than she is  ).
Mum Dad Dadda (means Nana) Hi Di (means Bye) Turtle Ow (means No) Our car (it's said as one word) Car Me (she's just started saying this today) Cracker Tul (means Bottle) sss (means Yes) Mmmm-hmmm (also means Yes) Baba (means baby) Ta Purple pupple (means people) Papark (means park) ticktickle (means tickle and accompanied by wiggling fingers) there there-it-is (as one word) eta: I've remembered a couple more words -------------  
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Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 9:17pm
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I have forgotten how old your little girl is but I think she's around 18mos or less? I wouldn't really worry about her speech until after she is 2yrs old. It may just be that she has 'gone off' talking as it were, or if she has had a cold recently she might have slightly blocked ears from that. Whatever the case, I'm sure she'll pick it up again when she's ready.
Kryssi is 15mos and is saying please, thank you (these two probably only because she copies the older girls lol) mum daddy shane drink see-ya dinner and like your little girl, a lot of them are just random-ish syllables that we've heard repeated until we've figured out what she means  -------------  |
Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 23 April 2008 at 9:26pm
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I think Michaela is 2 now Busymum?
I'm not sure but from what I see in kids that age I think that is within the [very wide] acceptable range? not sure though as Elle is 19mths and is a talker. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 7:40am
Michaela is 2 yo (turned 2 at the start of april) -------------
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busymum wrote:Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 7:44am
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She's probably about to have a Plunket check-up then, so you could ask them? ------------- |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 7:55am
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She had her plunket check in March and the plunket lady thinks she should be saying more than she is and told us to come back if she wasn't saying 60 words by June.
The thing is I disagree, I think she'll talk in her own time (remembering that I went through a non-talking age too) or she'd talk if we forced her to say words we know she used to say (like juice, please, god bless etc) but I don't want to force her. I've also pointed out to DH that she is physically advanced - I don't know many other 2 year olds that can catch balls, climb rock climbing walls, dangle from a flying fox as it's moved along (just for eg). She's dynamite at the playground, she ignores the toddler areas and if she sees an older kid doing something she decides she can do it too (and usually does). -------------
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Posted By: CuriousG
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:03am
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How often does she hang out with other children? We have found that Charlottes vocab is huge and I honestly attribute it to being in day care and having exposure to other kids. She is just about full on talking now that she is in the over 2 year old area.
I probably wouldn't worry too much. And if you are still worried in June, definitely take her back to the Plunket nurse and see if there are any tests or specialists that you can see just to give you piece of mind. The fact that you stopped talking then started again later on leads me to believe that perhaps she will do the same - genetics and all that! (PS: Would love to get the girls together very soon - are you busy this weekend???) ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:09am
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That's probably a very valid point. DH doesn't take her to playgroups during the week very often and we do gymbaroo for an hour on saturdays but the children interact with their parents rather than each other and it is movement focussed learning.
Would love to get the girls together - I'll email you. -------------
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:16am
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Gremlins don't talk. Well, they probably say more than I give them credit for, but they are not huge talkers and like Busymum, most of what they say are random syllables that they repeat until we get the message. Altho they do have a couple of two word sentences: thank you, all gone and Sienna's fave, get out!
Compared to Maya at the same age tho, they say bugger all, she was an early talker and had a huuuuge vocab from very early on. On her second birthday we have a video of her singing herself Happy Birthday, all complete and correct and clear as a bell. The gremlins will be lucky if they can even say "birthday" at this rate. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:25am
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Personally I'd try not to worry. I have had moments of stressing about Joshua's language development, and really from what you've said she can say I think that she is doing just fine.
Joshua is almost two and says the following words: Mummy Daddy Mama (grandma) Turtle Juice Block (ice block) Spot Car Tu (used for both truck and train) Wo-Wo (used for both bus and wheels) Shoes Socks Star No Mine/My's Pye (bike) Hat Eyes (used for eyes and sunglasses) Knees Tummy Possibly a few others, but not that many more that Michaela. Unfortunately the "losing" words is a common trait in autistic children, but if you were exactly the same as a little one then I really don't think it's anything you need to be worrying about at this stage. Does she interact with other children well when she does have the opportunity? Mebbe you should have a talk to your DH about getting her involved in playgroups or even a day or two at daycare.... It really is an important part of their young development, being with other kiddies. Big hugs - I know how worrying it is when you think there might be something going on with your wee one. Looking forward to meeting you and the gorgeous Michaela! |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:36am
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PMSL about the happy birthday Emma. That is so cute. Michaela just grinned at everyone and basked in the attention.
Clare - what is it with the word Turtle? It's not like it's a common thing to see (like truck or car) but it's one of Michaela's words too. She used to say kiwi in a really high pitched voice which was super cute. She does seem to interact well with other children, as much as any of them do at the parallel play age. She obviously watches and learns from other kids so I think putting her into playcentre or daycare once per week would help. -------------
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Posted By: Jay_R
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 9:50am
I've wondered the same thing Jo - but the way he says it is soooooooooo cute  I guess its quite an easy one to get their mouth round.
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 10:00am
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It is really cute, that's probably partly why they say it - for the reaction they get from adults and older children.
Recently we spent the weekend with some of her cousins and Miss 8 and Mr 6 spent a lot of time pointing out turtles and finding things that were purple just to get Michaela to say those words. -------------
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Posted By: AnnC
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 1:09pm
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I don't think Rhyley says alot but it could also be a boy thing. Brooke was such a good talker (she could say her alphabet at 22months - I have the video to prove it as I forgot how early she said it)
Rhyley says there-you-go (as in one word) Mumma or mumm-meee Daddy ta woof woof uh-oh No (and also shakes his head) Yeah (also had to edit this as remembered more words) but little else, I am not too worried as he babbles alot in his own language and hes only 17 months old. INfact happy to not have another chatter box (LOL Brooke u use to switch off from) ETA: Rhyley understands heaps though and most things you tell him to go/do etc.... which is amazing to see that he understands. Some one says later on about strengths and Rhyleys would have to be his motorskills - he is VERY co ordinated. Going to be a great sports man according to my family - much to proud sport orentanated Daddy (DH)  ------------- Ann 
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Posted By: Roksana
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 1:16pm
Ok Zaara is a bit older that Michaela like 5 months and she has picked up many words since her 2nd birthday...see if I can remember what they were...
Mumma papa Nana (My Dad) Nani (My Mum) Aaji (Atish's mum) Kaku (Atish's brother) Uncul (My brothers) Baba (my auntie) Bottol dog cat horsey Elephent (but learned to say it properly a few months back) Pingu tiger piggie plate cup go away stop quiet toys mickey minnie dona duck (Donald duck) goofy daisey cuddles Many more (cant remember now) Sentence: Letgo outside (lets go outside) My bike My Toys no cream on face mumma I don like it luv woo don cy baby (dont cry baby) baby cying mumma zaara get ouchy wher papa mumma? Aaji/kaku/nana coming mumma?? we stay here we go home etc etc She has picked up many many more sentences now in the last few months and is talking alot!! She is even opening up books like slinky malinky now and saying "jump high off floor, swang handul, open door" but just a few weeks ago. But at 2 she did talk quite a bit....however she stared really late so every child is different and she goes to day care where she is exposed to loads of people and children (cant take all credit for her talking ability) Please dont worry, you will see that with in few months she will talk heaps and then you will ask your self why oh why??  ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: nicolaann
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 1:31pm
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I talked to our plunket nurse last week about Alex's lack of talking. She is going to refer him to a specialtist if he hasn't improved in 4 months. He is almost 2 and a half and the only words he says are:
ti - kitty de - daddy tra - car tra - truck grin - green bllu - blue (said without opening his mouth) daa - duck daa - stuck be - baby ow - no dee - teddy poo (typical he gets that one right!!) There are a few more, but none that he says correctly. So basically he can't say any words properly. He says bits of words. I don't think he has a hearing problem. Still I am getting worried, as I thought by now he would be saying more. ------------- Nicky, Mum to Alex (5) & Sophie (3) http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Kellz
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 3:18pm
| We just had our Paft teacher here. We had a music dvd on when she arrived, and she said singing/music is really good for language development. You could try a local Mainly Music group. Sessions are usually 1/2 hr once a week and held ina church. There are several dads that regularly bring there kids along to the one we go to. |
Posted By: Andie
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 3:40pm
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Oooh I sooo need to get Ella into one of those, Kellz. I agree, MrsMojo, about her focussing less on her language if she's focussing so much on her physical development. Ella's always been a real mover, and yep, Plunket have said her language and hearing don't seem up with the play. Hearing - well possibly it isn't, but we're looking into that still, and language, well she goes through phases of learning new words and just sticking with the ones she's got. And she's 'lost' words too - we used to constantly hear about the "cat, CAT!" but she won't say it at all now, even though I'm desperately trying to convert her back to one of her first words, as she's calling it a, ahem, pussy, now. I think just like in school where some kids are great at PE and find English hard - why wouldn't toddlers have their own areas of strengths and others that take their time developing? ------------- Andie |
Posted By: katie1
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 4:27pm
| Ollie is nearly eighteen months and barely talking at all. I also am stressing about it but I do know that like Andie said he has been focusing HEAPS on his physical development. I asked the doctor and they thought things were fine but have referred him to a ped. and for a hearing assessment just in case. I am sure his hearing is fine though as he knows at least a hundred words and can point to them around the room or in books. He also can instructions. He just doesn't want to say words!!! |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 7:21pm
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Not to contradict CuriousG but a school teacher I know told me that she has noticed in her classroom that the clearer talkers are often the ones that engage in conversation with their parents, not just kids their age.
As for the boys, I know it's common for boys to talk later than girls. Hope you all get answers though ------------- |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 24 April 2008 at 8:42pm
I'd have to agree with you there Theresa. I guess it's because they don't understand the babble from their peers where adults clearly speak the words they know (usually lol) And in answer to your question about how much she talks - too blardy much! 
I made a list of all the words she was saying clearly and in the right context when she was 18 months and it was huge, she's now 22 months and that list would have easily doubled. Her new word is "jack-et" ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
 
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Posted By: fairsk8
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 7:43pm
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We may be a little different here, as Xanda suffers from Glue ear and has only just had his Grommets in, a big push was put through for the grommets as his speech was deteriorating very rapidly. But in the last couple of weeks before the grommets his vocab improved greatly as well as the clarity of his speech.
The list of his words would be too long to write out but a couple of favourite new ones at the moment are 'mine' and 'everyone' - which he says to all his teddies as he is putting them to bed, 'nite nite everyone'. I agree that listening to adults speaking has a great influence on children and their speech. So maybe suggest to your hubby, lots of chatter throughout the day, I babble about everything I am doing and give a running commentary. ------------- http://www.bump-and-beyond.com/"> 
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Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 9:48pm
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I think what Teresa said makes sense too, I think the gremlins don't have a lot of 'words' coz they are constantly chatting to each other in nonsensical babble non stop so they don't *need* words, whereas with Maya there was only her and I so she had to engage in conversation with me. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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The Gremlins:Sienna Marie & Mercedes Kailah (14/10/06)
Lil miss:Chiara Louise Chloe (09/07/08)
Her ladyship:Rosalia Sophie Anais (18/06/12)
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Posted By: Bubbaloo
Date Posted: 25 April 2008 at 10:02pm
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We have been adding up James' words and he just about can say 50 and he said his first proper sentence today to jesse which was "I want more bubbles" lol ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">  Was danni-chick Mum to James My Angel 28/07/08 |
Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 1:55pm
Mmmm, I say that quite often too - although my bubbles are alcoholic not soapy -------------
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 5:23pm
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My MIL just told me that DH didn't talk at this age either. He (the last of 8 kids) just pointed when he wanted something and one of his 9 family members would get it for him.
So, with that biology (i.e. stubborn perfectionist mum and a dad who thinks he's royalty) it's no surprise really! -------------
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 7:26pm
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we are well past twenty words now...some lot clearer than others but always in the right context. She has also started saying yes and no in right places too now. Complete with a head shake! DOH!
Her faves are still Tiger (now comes with a "roar"), and "dog" and "bubba" She has progressed to "char-lie" (her carer at DC) and some other two syllable ones so we know Tiger is not a fluke. One of her first words (apart from ELLA) was "georgia" - our dog. Damn near fell over when that came outta her mouth well pre one! worst one that we DO have to explain - the pointing to the sky and saying "da DA" - mummy thought she would be funny and teach her "da plane da plane" - aka fantasy island...little monkey thought she would be funny back and drop "plane" DOH!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted By: BuzzyBee
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 7:50pm
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I think boys tend to speak later than girls because if we want to compare (WHICH I HATE DOING BECAUSE EVERY BABY DOES THEIR OWN THING IN THEIR OWN TIME) Lucas is couple weeks younger than BSDD and he definitely doesn't speak anywhere near 20 words yet.
Mum, Mumma, Dad, Dada, Gah (means poppa or my brother ...male adults generally), Cat and my fave - Nana (so cute when he does this). He used to say 'what dat?' as clear as day but stopped saying it after 10 months old. I still think he is too young to be speaking, I'm led to believe they really don't have much control over language until 18 months of age + I think the main thing is sign language & understanding of words, demands & questions etc. For example if I ask for a book, ball etc he will go and get them and bring them over to me, if I tell him to clap or play peek-a-boo he will...and high fives. We dance together, and he points when I say wheres the plane and he finds it in the sky....He recognizes words I use everyday and he can relate them to a task or object basically, and when we read books he seems to know whats coming up ...the expression in his face tells all. He does a lot of baby sign language also, when he wants a drink or booby he does this suckling thing with his hands ...like he;s milking a cow? lol I'm not really concerned about his language at all, I read him plenty of books & talk throughout the day to him . I do think that playcentre/daycares can play a part in kids vocab BUT in saying that there are a lot of cons in sending them to places like that too. I'm happy, Lucas is happy, healthy & thriving. Thats all that matters :) Michaela is beautiful Jo and she sounds like a right character, I wouldn't be too worried. Plunket like to put the fear of God into parents, the amount of times they made Mum take me to specialists and waste hundreds of dollars only to come out and be told I had eaten too many carrots or that I was fine ...it's ridiculous. Ok Essay over and out ------------- Single Mum to a darling wee boy of 3 years :) |
Posted By: fairsk8
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 8:08pm
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Forgot to say that Xanda has always responded to Maaori much more clearly than english, and is now building up quite a maaori vocab, which nearly equals the amount of english words he speaks. So I suppose he hasn't got too bad a word list if you add both languages together. ------------- http://www.bump-and-beyond.com/">
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Posted By: FionaS
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 8:22pm
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I personally think all kids have their strengths just like we do. Some are physical, some are talkers etc. Elle has always done the gross motor skills in strange ways and out of order but she is a huge talker. Her vocab is probably in excess of 100 words that she uses regularly, without prompting and in context and she has many sentences. DH and I were both talkers so in our case it is genetics. But put her with kids like Emma's Gremlins and although they are younger, their physical skills are way better than Elle's.
The ranges of "normal" are huge and at this point I certainly wouldn't be worried about Michaela. She seems like a very onto it little lady. ------------- Mummy to Gabrielle and Ashley |
Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 9:22pm
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and Ella responds to Cambodian too....my BF is cambodian and speaks dialects and chinese to her and she responds and understands now....Im screwed if she learns to speak it cause i dont understand most of it.
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Posted By: Bombshell
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 9:32pm
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steph - found this...
Though speech develops pretty much the same way for all children, the pace can vary considerably from child to child. As a rule of thumb, children should be able to say one word at about 1, two-word combinations at 18 months to 2 years, and three-word sentences before turning 3. When speech specialists evaluate delayed speech, they care as much about a child's understanding as they do about how much he speaks. For instance, although a typical 18-month-old can say 50 to 100 words, he can understand far more. Making gestures and following directions indicate that your child is understanding and communicating, and there's likely little reason to worry. Boys: They often develop speech later than girls, though there's usually only about a one- to two-month lag. At 16 months, boys use an average of 30 words, while girls tend to use around 50. Famous late talkers When you're tired of being asked when your child is going to talk, remember that these successful people didn't begin talking until they were at least 2 -- and, in some cases, 4! Gary Becker, Nobel Prize-winning economist Albert Einstein Julia Robinson, the first woman president of the American Mathematical Society Arthur Rubinstein, piano virtuoso Edward Teller, physicist and nuclear power pioneer |
Posted By: baalamb
Date Posted: 26 April 2008 at 9:42pm
Agreed! But it is just a tad annoying if you want a 'round about' figure, and Googling it or referring to child development books etc, they'll tell you all sorts of different numbers that range dramatically! There's no doubt that comparing, whether parents might claim to do it or not, goes on in groups of friends/antenatal groups. I know as a parent, I might hear something and think 'hmmm, I wonder why Ashlee is/isn't doing that'. (That doesn't mean that I'll try and make her do whatever it is that the other kid might be doing! Haha!! So true. Kids all develop so differently.) Ashlee says in excess of 200 words - we started to write them down (granted, she doesn't use ALL of those in her every day speech! ) plus 3, 4 and 5 word sentences. My cousin's child is 3 months younger than Ash is and he doesn't seem to speak much but he can act out whatever it is he wants to say! So I agree, kids are all skilled in different ways when it comes to picking up new things and each have their own developmental styles. And their surroundings definitely impact that too.
I'm sure you'll be incredibly shocked with what Michaela will come out with when she decides to talk non-stop again! Be sure to let us know hehe will be interesting!
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 27 April 2008 at 7:13am
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Michaela's understanding is definitely outstanding. I commented before Christmas (she was about 19mo) how nice it is to be able to ask her to do something and she will (if she chooses to). Or I bribe her "lie down for a nappy change then you can feed the cat" and sure enough she knows what I'm saying.
She doesn't need to talk as we always provide her with options (eg. when choosing what book to read or what she wants to eat) and all she needs to do is say mmm-hmmm to the one she wants. I'm convinced that she has a 'hidden' vocabulary though, not just because there are words she's stopped using but also yesterday she was being looked after by my mum and my niece. She decided she wanted me and started searching the house calling "mum...mum" when I didn't respond to this she got quite upset and started yelling for me "Jo....Jo.." I've never heard her use my first name before, she usually calls me mum or if I'm busy and not responding quick enough she use mummy, but obviously she knows how to say it and thought she'd use it since 'mum' wasn't working. I am anti forcing her to talk if she doesn't want to, now I just need to convince DH to give her a bit more time before calling in the plunket nurse again (if she's still not talking much in June). -------------
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Posted By: SMoody
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:04pm
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McKayla started to talk really early. AT 4 and a half months when I went to hospital for an emergency op she would start saying nanan for mamma and will just use it if she wanted to come to me. It changed to mamma at 5 and a half months. At 6 months she was able to say yada (for yoda our one cat) Taz (dogs name) Pappa (afrikaans for daddy) dadda, booboo. She slowed down at about 10 months and then had quite a few words at about 13 months and then just stopped. She will babble and you cant hear her to the point that I actually worried as people commented on it the whole time. At 18 months I started listening carefully and she will use words here and there but just didnt use them as such. We could understand her and she understood one hell of a lot actually.
Then the 2 year mark came and Plunket told me that we need to reassess and I told them to bugger off. I wasnt that worried as she is really far advance with everything else. Building puzzles meant for 4 year olds ect. And then she just took off. Within a day she learned all her colours and then just started babbling. I found kids her age to talk more sometimes but not understanding their parents that well and she actually grasps concepts. So I really wont be worried as such. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: MrsMojo
Date Posted: 29 April 2008 at 6:14pm
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Michaela started talking about the same age as your wee one. She said Mumma for ages before I finally admitted (at 5mo) that she was using it as my name. Like McKayla her next word was cat and daddy got a look in too.
Sounds like she is pretty much the same, developmentally, as McKayla. She understands us really well (maybe a bit too well ) and we communicate fine.
I know that she is ok, totally within the bounds of normal plus I've always been confident that she will pick up her language again but it is nice to hear of someone else that's experienced the same thing. One of my favourite sayings when mums start comparing their kids development (which we all do whether we like it or not) is "by 5 yo it won't matter". -------------
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