Vaccinations and vitamin k for babies
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Topic: Vaccinations and vitamin k for babies
Posted By: CJsays
Subject: Vaccinations and vitamin k for babies
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 2:05pm
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What are people's thoughts on this?
I have looked into the Vitamin K arguments on both sides and have decided against the injection and will be doing the oral doses instead (that much Vit K in one dose can't be good for a newborn if they saying adults shouldn't have too much of it! And also for the most benefit Vit K should be absorbed by the gut, which when it is injected it is not). Seems the injection also has a very tenuous link to leukaemia later in their childhood but that hasn't really proven, only 2 studies, and later studies totally contradicted that one. And thoughts on immunisations? Again, I don't like the idea of all the injections together, I would much prefer them spaced out - again, it's a new baby, their bodies have so much to cope with already! I definitely agree they need to be immunised, but I wonder if we can space the injections out more. Again there was talk about the injections having a slight link to ADD, but it seems that is linked to what they used in the injections mainly in the US, NZ hasn't used that for a few years now (can't remember what it was, perhaps mercury??). My husband says trust the drs, but I think it is abit like science - alot of very qualified people have different ideas, and drs, being human, can also get things very wrong!!! Anyway, be interested in what others think... do yuo think I am being too fussy, or do you think it is worth checking out these things fully before giving them to our babies? ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: HippyMama
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 2:32pm
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My decision on Vit K was that I would not be having it administered unless there was significant birth trauma to my daughter that would thus render it a necessity, and in the end there wasn't, so we didn't.
As for immunisations, I have chosen to delay ours until my daughter is older, to give her immune system time to build itself up naturally. I have yet to decide whether we will then selectively vax (if possible) or not. And to answer your last question, I don't think it is being too fussy at all - it is well worth checking these sorts of things out from all sides and then making a decision on what your instinct tells you is right for you and your baby / family. ------------- Mama to two earth walkers & two angels. Remember, you are not managing an inconvenience; You are raising a human being. ~ Kittie Franz Next Slingbabies! Meet - Friday 4th May !! |
Posted By: Red
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 2:51pm
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I opted for the oral doses, which my midwife did for me and was pretty easily done. I much prefered this over injecting a newborn baby when they have got so much else to deal with, and as you said surely it is better for it to be taken orally if it is absorbed in the gut! ------------- http://lilypie.com">  http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:05pm
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Yup oral doses of vit K here for our first baby, am undecided about doing it all for the second...probably will and will most def be orally (unless I have an emergence section or something). We don't vax atm, and won't till at least the age of 2, for much of the reasons why Hippy mama said...and am still undecided if we will then selectively vax (it seems a bit harder to do that here in NZ than it is in some other countires). There are HEAPS of threads on vaxxing/non vaxxing, not just on OB but on natural parenting community boards as well...who's opinions are often just as divided! the important thing is that you're looking into it a bit more and making an informed decision either way -------------   http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:25pm
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I've decided to have Vit K administered to my baby when she arrives and it will be via vaccination by my MW, then she knows its done and with the oral they can easily not digest it all.
Baby will be vaccinated not sure of the administration of this as yet though, ie: when or how many. I don't think your being fussy I was asked to find out about Vit K for myself and I'm happy to have it administered to my baby after her birth. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Emmecat
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:29pm
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C&J- that's why they get 3 doses of the oral plus a spare as a back up lol ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:56pm
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We have a history of bleeding in our family. I didn't want to risk bleeding issues (like what I have after surgeries) so they got jabbed. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 3:58pm
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I gave the injection to C , well I didn't do it, I mean my mw lol,cos I didn't know there was any other option (and 8 years ago there may not have been )
Ty had the oral one, I couldn't bear the thought of my itty bitty baby boy being jabbed with a needle when he had JUST come out . Curious tho, what is "selective " vaxing? ------------- 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 4:06pm
My understanding was the 3 doses were equivalent to the single vaccination dose. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow"> [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Emmecat wrote:Posted By: amme_eilyk
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 4:14pm
| bubs will be having the vit k injection and the vaccinations as recommended. |
Posted By: freckle
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 4:33pm
same here  ------------- mum to 3 lovely girls :D |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 4:40pm
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No way no how to the vit k injection here. I have bleeding issues but vit k isn't actually that helpful so my boys both got oral. Plus there are issues with how deep they inject it in the thigh - ouch!
No vaxing here either except for tetanus. They recommend vaccinations to make money, not because they actually work plus uhm who would voluntarily choose to inject mercury, belladonna (nightshade), dog kidney cells, formaldehyde, mouse brain cells, sodium chloride and latex to name a few, into their baby?!! Its totally worth checking it out before you make the decision!! -------------   
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Posted By: AandCsmum
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 5:06pm
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You need to do research if you are unsure & especially seeing you & your DH are on different pages.
Search on here as there have been a heap of discussions/debate/aguements re vaccinations but there is useful information in amongst it all. I have opted to separate out the vax my boy recieves, based on the fact his body is fighting food allergies & his immune system isn't in a normal state. So where you get 2 or 3 at once they are staggered out. ------------- Kel http://lilypie.com"> 
A = 01.02.04 & C = 16.01.09 & G = 30.03.12 |
Posted By: BugTeeny
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 6:29pm
I'm genuinely interested as to why you'll give tetanus and not any others? I believe there are many of the same ingredients you've mentioned that are, in fact, in the tetanus vaccine.. (another edit: I don't think NZ uses Mercury anymore, do they?) But, in a more constructive response to the original post; We gave the Vit-K jab for both kids upon birth and immunise, also. Definitely do your reading, your choice is the best choice to make
And, no, I don't think you're being "too fussy" at all 
*edited for spelling. ------------- 
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 8:16pm
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She gave the tetanus jab after her child got a deep puncture wound.
We didn't do vit k for our first, elective c/s, we did for our second, vontouse delivery. However we gave the jab and after reading more about it i would not do it in the future, I'm not sure I would give it at all but if I did I would opt for the oral instead (I think, if we have a third I shall be doing much more research beforehand). My boys have had no vaccinations at all, we were going to delay when we had the first but after much more research have decided not to vax at all. Mercury was removed from nz vaccines on the childhood schedule in 2000 (as a way to limit mercury intake, recommendations for limiting fish during pregnancy and first 12 months is for this reason also) it is however in other vaccines that are not on the regular schedule, including the flu jab (multidose, not single vial). There are many other concerning ingredients in vaccines though and the schedule as a whole has never been tested so no idea what the interaction of all these different toxins is. (thimerosal, is the name of the mercury preservative and it is still used in some cases in the US, it was advised that vaccine companies phase it out, they have been pretty lax at actually bothering to do that, but it does pay to bare that in mind especially when a lot of the information does come out of the US as it's not always relevant to NZ vaccines, the US also have a ludicrous number of jabs they give, it's quite sickening actually.) My only real advice is to research research research until you are 100% happy in what you are doing. And I totally agree with you about not blindly following what a dr says, different doctors have different ideas and there are many many doctors out there who do not agree with vaccination. Sadly a lot of GPs do not have the time to research everything so if a jab is on the schedule they will assume it is well researched and safe and give it out without ever reading a single piece of literature on it. If you partner does still want to do it I would suggest having a meeting with the doc and getting the doc to at least run through the package insert of the vax with you and your dh, before you make the final decision. Oh if you want any ideas of where to research etc pm me, I'm happy to forward some info to you, it is usually biased as I have never found unbiased, but I just look at what both sides are saying and draw my own conclusions from it. |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 8:27pm
Yeah there are unfortunately but Jake stepped on a rusty nail from our old chicken coop at 2.5yo and it totally impaled his foot and we made the snap decision to get the tetanus injection for him because he was that bit older and because in the panic I couldn't think of how to prevent him getting tetanus or the like naturally. We only got the one and after everything had settled down we felt awful and never went back for the repeats. We had a chance then to research what to do to keep his foot healthy without any medical interference and went that way. Since we did give him that one vax I can't say we absolutely don't plus because of our more rural lifestyle its kinda the one I've always kept on my 'possible' list
ETA : the tetanus is no longer on our 'possible' list which is now empty -------------
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Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 8:29pm
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Oh thanks M took ages doing my post coz I got distracted as usual! -------------
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Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 9:03pm
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*sigh* poor Kelly, noone answered her question
*sits all alone playing tiny little violin* -------------
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Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 9:13pm
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Kelly, I had to scroll up to see your question, had completely missed it on the first read through
Selective vaxxing is only doing certains ones not the whole schedule and some people like to split jabs up as well, so they may give the measles vaccine but not the MMR for example (I'm not sure that's actually possible in nz, but in other countries the single jabs are still available). Also some people will not do boosters either as boosters dont' actually boost, they are either needed because the immune response from the vaccine wains over time (whooping cough rough 5 years, some others 15 years, tetanus 10 years etc) so you are being revaxed not boosted or it's to pick up those who don't respond to one jab, having a second jab of MMR at age 4 is to pick up the kids who don't respond to the first jab so some parents choose to play the odds and not do the second jab as it's likely their child had a response from the first jab, the second one is actually only given because it cheaper to jab all kids again rather than test which ones have antiboides and only jab those that don't. Of course as we all know though antibody response from a vaccine does not = immunity to the actual disease. HTH |
Posted By: TheKelly
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 10:12pm
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yup that helps 2 boys ! thanks ! -------------
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 21 October 2010 at 10:58pm
| Can i ask bridie, where did you get the info about the ingredients in vaccinations? |
Posted By: cuppatea
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 7:12am
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here you go Lizzle, from the gov site, the vaccine components page
http://www.immune.org.nz/default.asp?t=920 |
Posted By: Babe
Date Posted: 22 October 2010 at 8:29am
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Yep there -------------
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Posted By: CJsays
Date Posted: 26 October 2010 at 1:44pm
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Awesome thx all for your comments, is quite an interesting one that everyone seems to have their own take on, I will do some more research! ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: MuppetsMama
Date Posted: 27 October 2010 at 9:05am
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Our first DD was given the Vit K jab as I had a very traumatic delivery, but for my littlest DD (elective CS) we decided to go for the oral.
We have decided not to immunise our children at all. The organisation http://www.ias.org.nz/ - Imm Awareness Society helped us a lot with our decision making, especially the books they have. |