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Topic: montessori
Posted By: lizzle
Subject: montessori
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 2:17pm
| Has anyone ever sent their kids to a Montessori perschool? My MIL is suggesting that the one in Gisborne is better than the other preschools in the area, but i don't know much about it. i've looked on the internet but would be interested in hearing from some actual people who DONT work for that company |
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Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 2:20pm
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I've been told by my MIL too that it would be good to send Arna - and I am in the same boat as you...
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Posted By: AlyAyde
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 4:15pm
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Well dont know the reason behind it but the one in whangarei closed down. ------------- Jayde 25/12/04 Alyssa 08/04/03 http://Alyayde.bebo.com |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 4:43pm
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Ok if you go the www.montessori.co.nz then click on "About MANZ" then "member schools" - It will come up with all the schools / preschools in NZ
From there you go to the relevant area and they have the fees, what they do, contact details etc. Think the best bet is to ring them and get them to send you some information.  ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 5:06pm
| i did that and am going into the gisborne one when we get home. long waiting list though! I asked about the waiting list and they said we should put Jake down now for when he's three! |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 8:06pm
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Man I should do the same for Taranaki!! Going up in the next few weeks hopefully so will sort it out then. ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 8:49pm
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I've heard heaps of differing views about Montessori, a few from some ex-montessori teachers who have advised me not to send Hannah there.
1. My cousin, Lydia, attended a montessori preschool. Incredibly bright kid in a wealthy family with parents who spoil her to bits. She's very "well trained" and at montessori learns to set out all her play things, then plays with them (being used in their intended way) and then tidies and packs away everything. So learns responsibility and manners. 2. Ex-montessori teacher. Said it was very "Mummy and Daddy" type situation with spoilt rich kids. (She didn't really have anything good to say about the school... I think she went a bit over board and offered a very one-sided argument) 3. My friend is an ex-montessori reliever and nanny. She had good and bad things to say about montessori but is not going to send her own child there. She said that they way they teach the kids to play (which is very structured) is almost taking the fun away from the children. The whole concept of using the toys they play with only in their intended use means that their imaginations are limited. She also criticised montessori rules such as children having to ask to enter another child's space. While it is good that children learn to be respectful of others, once again it seems a bit serious for kids. Her recommendation was a steiner preschool. Which still uses natural materials for play but encourages creativity rather than limiting it. That's my little rant!! |
Posted By: lenabeanz
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 9:07pm
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I've only heard things from the MIL - and she was saying they learn how to thread a needle and thread and how to sew - OTT I think...
Looked at the fees before and nearly CHOKED!! - Will have to get my A into G anyway re: education for Arna - will always be living in the country and for good schools have to get in now-ish ------------- http://www.snugglepie.com">
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Posted By: mum2paris
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 9:30pm
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I did some placements at a montessori when i did my nanny cert. and have also nannied for a little girl who went to montessori. I found it very interesting how the children learn lots of fine motor skills - eg they have a tiny porcelain teaset and lots of other things and fill them with coloured water so kids can learn to tip and pour and measure very carefully - they learn phonics and letters, to clean up after themselves. they have their own mat that they get out, get the toys, play with them and put them away. It's it pretty good educationally - as they get older you can choose to send them to enrichment classes where they can learn languages and simple geography and stuff like that, all very simple. HOWEVER. this is not the place for imagination. toys are played with in the correct way, in order for them to learn what the toy was intended to teach, there is no dress up corner, no imaginative play. outside time is rationed - they have little armbands that maybe 3 children at at ime get to have and that means they can go outside to play, when their time is up, they go inside and choose who they will give it to next - so if your kid isn't in with the "in" kids, sometimes they might not get a chance unless the teacher spots it. they do have outside play at the end of the session, but not a heap. It does not encourage playing together either very much - children are encouraged to do their "work" on their own mat, and are not allowed to step over another persons mat, they are only allowed to join one another if they ask first or the other child invites them. It does have it's pluses - the children i have seen settled in very well and were very bright - but i think full time would be a bit over the top - maybe half montessori and half playcentre might be the way to go - two different ends of the spectrum. ------------- Janine and her 2 cool chicks, Paris & Ayja 
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 01 November 2005 at 11:51pm
| Interesting. My MIL has offered to pay the fees if we want to send Jake, but there is also a Kohanga near by, so maybe we'll do half and half. I don't know if it's just his age, but Jake is getting really aggressive and hitting a lot. We tell him "no, that hurts mummy", but he giggles. He also takes toys away from other kids when they are playing together. So i think respecting others might be not such a bad idea. thanks ladies! So what's all about the steiner schools? All I remember from Drama school was that Steiner kids didn't wear uniforms |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 2:28pm
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I was a Montessori kid! And Maya is enrolled to start next year after she turns 3. She will be going 3 full days a week, and at home with me on the other 2 days.
Our local Montessori doesn't have such a great rep, so I am sending her to one a little further away that has an excellent reputation. My parents also offered to pay the fees, but when I checked it out Montessori will actually cost me less per day than daycare for the same number of hours. I will also still qualify for a partial childcare subsidy. Just re: Kohanga Lizzle, I looked into it for Maya and decided against it. My reason for wanting to send her there is that I want her to grow up secure in her identity as a Maori woman and knowledgeable about her culture and Reo. I was a bit worried about the whole total immersion thing, but then a friend's daughter is in total immersion Samoan kindy and thriving. That said, the grammatical structures of Maori vs. English are sooo different, and I was concerned that Maya would develop grammatical confusion (paranoia of a grammar-addict writer mother!) The Kohanga also seem to be plagued with organisational and management issues (most, not all, some are excellent) and that affects the quality of the kids education. I kind of got the impression that learning Reo was paramount and that other activities such as painting, playdoh, outdoor play etc. were a little neglected. I studied Maori and uni and am semi-fluent (can read and tranlsate, and speak conversational Maori)so I decided to teach Maya myself and then put her into Kapa Haka, and maybe Maori language classes when she is a bit older. -------------  Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 6:03pm
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I'll get more information for you about Steiner. (Zeke was a steiner kid - crazy hippy parents)
The main objections I have to Steiner is that they believe that kids shouldn't learn to read until they are over 10 or something. Apparently most kids' parents teach them at home. Anyway... I'll get back to ya after I talk to Zeke's Dad. |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 6:58pm
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thanks for that everyone. God, so much to think about and he's only 1!!!! I'm sure there was a time when kids just went to school, not all these options!
jake's primary school that he'll go to has a Maori immersion programme, but we won't enrol him in that. Some family friends had huge problems with their kids not reading well because of the Reo focus. Re grammar confusion Maya, I have a post-grad in second lanaguge teaching and the majority of kids don't have much of a problem differentiating between the two grammar sets, however this is if they speak one language in one place and naother in another place. If you mix the two there seems to be problems. Jake actually is speaking the odd word of Japanese, but not much english. I think Japanese is actually easier for kids to learn because of the lack of consonant blends.....I'm thinking of doing my thesis on it later anyway, enough blabbing. Am going to look into other options for kindy in gisborne and see what i come up with |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 8:19pm
Strangely enough Japanese and Maori have quite a few similarities. I did Japanese at high school for all of about six months before it got too seriously hard  and then when I did Maori at uni I commented on a couple of similar words and the tutor said that there are lots of Maori words which look or sound similar to Maori. Go figure lol.
Good to know about the grammar tho, that was my number one concern because Maori is a passive language and has the opposite sentence structure to English (ie. I am going to the shop vs. going I am to the shop). Lizzle do you reckon speaking in a mix of English and Maori at home is a bad idea? At daycare they do the usual bare minimum bicultural stuff, and they asked me to write down some of the Reo we use at home, so I made a big poster with lots of Maori phrases but I don't think they actually use it. But she can count to ten in Reo, knows her Maori colors, and knows a few simple commands. I don't want to confuse the poor kid tho, and since you're th e expert any advice would be much appreciated ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 02 November 2005 at 11:52pm
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oh no, don't think I'm an expert or anything. Apperntly some experts think it could cause confusion, but others disagree. I don't think it would be that big a problem, but it depends. A lot of japanese families speak english words in Japanese sentences and that confuses the kids a lot. Bad grammar and stuff.
But I have to admit we speak a mix at home, just a few Japanese things like "don't do that" "wait a minute" a some things. jake seems to understand both....well ignores both equally at times too. About japanese and maori - it's very similar. Similar vowel structure and some words as you were saying. it seems to be a lot easier for the kiwis to pick it up than the other nationalities. |
Posted By: lou
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 8:12am
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I've heard it takes a lot longer to learn to speak and stuff if two languages are spoken at home, but in the end the kid knows two languages. ------------- Mother to two beautiful children - Sophie age 6 and Ephraim age 4 |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 8:37am
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Thanks Lizzle, sounds like what you are doing with Jake is similar to what we do with Maya. I guess I am just paranoid because I don't want to affect her English, but at the same time I really want her to have a good grasp of Te Reo. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: newmum
Date Posted: 03 November 2005 at 8:53am
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We are inadvertantly raising Joey bilingually too. Peter and I speak German at home all the time but I speak English and German with Joey. I suppose he will pick up both languages and I think if he hears/speaks both from the start it will be easier in the long run. I don't think he will get confused. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: melz
Date Posted: 04 November 2005 at 8:22am
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We have a few kids at playcentre who are bilingual. Their speech seems to be quite slow in coming but when they hit 3 1/2-4 they tend to speak both languages well.
I think that as long as they are encouraged to speak English it is fine. One little boy would only use sign langauge and little sounds instead of English but as soon as he started being looked after by someone who didn't speak Turkish (like him) his English just bloomed. |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 11:24am
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 11:39am
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I posted a thread in General, but am glad Nikki pointed me to this one. I'm also considering a Montessori preschool for Emma Rose (she's 9 months now but as someone else noted, you have to get them on the waiting list REALLY early, hence the insane earliness of this posting). As I said in my other post over in General, the thing that bothers me a bit about the local Montessori is that they require kids to be in for at least two full-day sessions a week (8.45am to 3.15pm), and to me, that sounds like a lot of preschool for a 2.5-year-old to handle (the age Em will be when she starts). My own mother owns/teaches preschool, but not Montessori, and her 2.5-year-olds go for three 3-hour sessions a week, so that's the experience that I'm coming from. I'm also a wee bit worried when I read others' comments about Montessori education not promoting imaginative play. Yikes! I DEFINITELY want Em to do imaginative play. I'd love to hear more experiences with Montessori preschools. Did anyone start their child in one and then pull them out and put them in something different? Or start off in something different and then switch to Montessori? |
Posted By: busymum
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:06pm
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Sorry I haven't been there... but some thoughts I had:
* I think the full days would be too much for my nearly 3yo but I know some kids do seem to do okay in those situations. I guess that will come down to your child's personality (introvert/extrovert?), which is probably not so easy to pin-point at this stage
* I think the Montesori idea is a good one, I first heard about it by reading some books in the Library. But it seems in others' experiences that they have gone a bit overboard with structure etc. They are preschoolers after all! * Do you know any primary school teachers? Or could you talk to someone at the nearest school to your home? It would be good to get a teacher's perspective on Montesori before booking. * Would you be able to just go to a playcentre and teach your child all that stuff anyway? (Of course that depends on whether you'll be working etc, but would be a more relaxed environment by the sounds.) Big decision!  g/l------------- |
Posted By: lizzle
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:29pm
| I studied Montesorri briefly thorugh my teaching papers. the thing with "no imaginative play" is that they want each play object to be used for it's intention. as in, a play phone can be use as a play phone - not the handle as a hammer. they also try to foster the children into learning idenpendantly more. I'm still undecided about motessori but have decided to enrol Jake and Taine in kindy, te kohanga, and kindy and I figure, one they reach the appropriate age, i can decide on which will be the best for them. |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:40pm
Re: Kids in full days at preschool. This last year, Han has been in creche three full days - 9am -5pm (well, ok I'm usually late so make that around 10am  )
She has coped amazingly well and the reason I put her into full days rather than 1/2 days was so that her routine could be maintained whereever she was. If I put her in 1/2 days then she was more than likely going to fall asleep in the car on the way there, or the way home... which as those of you who have toddlers (or even little babies) if they have 5 minutes snatched sleep - sometimes they think that's ALL they need! Anyway, now Han has moved up to the next creche which is much more full on and less structured. So I am re-thinking the full day thing as I think she is going to be absolutely EXHAUSTED by the end of it.. and with high kid to teacher ratios, a teacher isn't always going to be there to give her a cuddle if she needs it. So, how does this relate to Montessori? haha. It doesn't really... except that I think with the structure etc of Montessori, I would feel much more comfortable having Han in full days as opposed to the crazy free play that goes on in Hannah's toddler creche. |
Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 1:04pm
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Thanks, Nikki, that makes sense. Obviously Emma at 2.5 will be vastly different from Emma at 9 months, and it's hard to imagine her almost two years from now! But I can understand what you mean about how it might be more comfortable for them to be in a structured environment for a full day rather than the free-play environment that a lot of preschools and creches have. That said, I am a big fan of free play, and don't want TOO much structure... Can you tell I'm confused about this? LOL. I think it will all become clearer as she gets older... In the meantime, maybe I will go ahead and enrol her in the Montessori preschool and in a regular one as well, and then make the decision down the track. I hate having to get on the waiting lists this early, when we're still working on solids and sleeping through the night! It just feels WEIRD! LOL |
Posted By: Maya
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:05pm
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Well as I posted last year, we have Maya enrolled in Montessori, she started in February when she turned 3 and I can honestly say it is the best thing I have ever done for her.
I didn't realise quite how much she was learning until she brought home her portfolio prior to the "parent interview" (6 monthly progress updates) in July when she had been there around 5 months. She was writing all her numbers, all the letters of the alphabet, and could write her own name. Now despite the millions of toys she has (Katherine has seen her stash of toys, it is a shocker!) she prefers to spend her time writing and drawing (which drives me nuts because she uses all my printer paper ) and is getting really good at it.
She goes 9am-4pm three days a week, and 12pm-4pm on a Monday. I think probably part of the reason she copes with the full day is that she was in daycare for full days from very early on, but also because she is quite a busy thinker so needs lots of stimulation. Katherine, where are you thinking of enrolling Emma Rose? Maya is at Horizons up in New Lynn. ------------- Maya Grace (28/02/03)
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Posted By: mummy_becks
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:24pm
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Just about the full on days. Andrew was at the beginning of this year in fulltime (8am-5pm) daycare. He was fine and was just about 2 when that happened. Things have changed now and he isn't in everyday and most days I usually don't get him there till after 8.30am. One thing I personally don't like about Montessori is the imagination play. Andrew loves to use Tigger as his baby and will put him to bed in the little cradle they have at his daycare. I do like the writing and drawing things it does help with development (I have done teaching placements at schools and some 6 years old in one class couldn't hold a pencil at all), but that can also be done at a daycare as well (well usually not till they are 4 and do extention programmes). Andrew's daycare has an emphisis(sp?) on music and the arts - which I love and so does he, so it is good for him. He can sing you the alphabet (has done since just after he turned 2) and counts to 10 then further on with help. His daycare has a monessori section that is away from where he is, but I am sure one of the teachers he has at the moment has come from the Montessori section so I can ask her a few questions if you like and how she has found teaching montessori to "plain" daycare. ------------- I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived! |
Posted By: meow
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:50pm
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Does anyone know where to look for more info on Steiner kindergartens? I've read the ERO report so far but haven't got much further than that..
DP's sister just finished high school at Steiner.. We've been to see all sorts of performances and plays etc over the years and she has become a confident, friendly, intelligent young lady. I don't know much about their philosophies but some of them are a bit strange.. but I do really like how they encourage creativeness.. ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
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Posted By: Katherine
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 3:36pm
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Hey Emma, I'm glad to hear your experience as well. When we come over to visit you, I am going to pick your brain!!! Be warned!!! I'm thinking of enrolling my Emma at Howick Montessori Preschool at the All Saints Community Centre in Howick. Since we just moved to this area, I don't know any mums I can ask about the preschool, although I have been putting "feelers" out. I don't think Maya's stash of toys is all that shocking, personally!!! Emma Rose has HEAPS! And she prefers the boxes they come in to the actual toys... sigh. Just wait 'til Christmas. P.S. Unrelated, but as for Em's fever from last week -- she has roseola, so the fever is gone but in its place is a nasty-looking rash, which apparently doesn't hurt or itch, just looks terrible. So I'm not getting any work done, as she wants to be held ALL THE TIME, and I'm typing this one-handed!!! |
Posted By: linda
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 8:34pm
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It amazes me how many options there are and the different policies they have. The creche my kids go to only allow either full time, mornings, afternoons or finish at 3.00pm. So even though I have Thursdays off I still have to pay for creche but that in the end works out well for me as it gives me flexibility if I need to change my day off (which happens a lot).
I did hear why they preferred doing it this way but have forgotten. Our creche was also saying that they would be getting info in FEB about the subsidy for children over the ago of 3...that will help as our fees are about to go up |
Posted By: nikkitheknitter
Date Posted: 04 December 2006 at 9:06pm
linda - as far as I can tell from many creche searching friends... we are pretty damn lucky with the Vic creches. 
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Posted By: Jennz
Date Posted: 05 December 2006 at 12:03am
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I think you really need to think about what style would suit your child. Some kids thrive in structured environments and others are more creative and need far more unstructured learning.
We seriously considered Montessori and I looked into it before we left Auckland (they have a Montessori Primary and high school there so we were planning on doing the full thing). I think if we had of stayed there thats where she would have gone. When I went along I found it really good- I liked their style and thought it would suit Charlotte. The amount the kids learn is amazing! The writing samples up on the wall of the 4 year olds were honestly better than DHs writing. For me it just seemed so good for the kids to be exposed to so much at an age where they are so thirsty for it. At a high school level their stats for going on to higher education were considerably higher than that of the state schools too. ------------- Jen, Charlotte 7 & Kate 3 
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Posted By: Spudling
Date Posted: 25 March 2007 at 12:40pm
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So glad I found this thread! i am also really interested in sending Cailin to Montessori and love the idea of the structured time, but boy oh boy, I didn't think about with it being so structured that they may not get to use their imagination as much.
I guess it does vary from school to school to. When I go up to see them at the New Plymouth Montessori I now know what my first question will be about. |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 9:30am
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just bumping this up as we are in the process of finding a "good" Montesorri for Caitlin for next year (don't ya just love those waiting lists!)
I've been to three so far and am going to another one this afternoon. It has amazed me how different they can all be! I've been to 1 where they insist on the child being TT'd but would still prefer them to start at 2  This place was 100% Montesorri and was extremely structured (way too much for my liking!), so that one was scrubbed off the list.
The other two I've been to are 50/50 Montesorri and NZ Pre-school cirriculum and have been much better and allow imaginitive play and dress ups etc as well as the structure. The one I'm going to today is a "normal" kindy that teaches the theory of Montesorri whilst still allowing the kids lots of free-play. I think this is a nice balance, it also sounds like a more nuturing environment which is what we are after as this will be the first time Caitlin will be away from family caregivers. Just on a side note: I've found it REALLY difficult to find info/reviews on kindys in my area. There is only so much you can get from an ERO report! I don't know anyone who has kids older than Caitlin in Montesorri or Kindy, other than Emma, but Maya's Montesorri is fully booked until 2010!!! ------------- http://lilypie.com"> 
 
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Posted By: caliandjack
Date Posted: 16 October 2007 at 11:46am
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In regards to the Steiner schools, there is an excellent school in Lower Hutt, which starts from kindy and go thru to end of high school.
DF went there for primary school and his mum taught the kindergarten until recently. DF has a far broader knowledge and education than those of his peers, also the Steiner education system seems to have given him a life long love of reading and learning. Its a shame we don't have one in Palmy as I wouldn't hesitate to send my children there. ------------- http://lilypie.com" rel="nofollow">   [/url] Angel June 2012 |
Posted By: Two Blondinis
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 11:38am
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YAY!!!! We're all signed up to start at the Te Atatu Montesorri next July
I had a visit with them yesterday and they are soooooo perfect and lovely there! It's a great balance between the teachings of Montesorri and letting the kids BE kids with dress ups and painting and play dough
They're also happy for her to go 3 mornings rather than full days and are happy to ease her into being there with an hour or so intro sessions with me still at the centre but her with the teachers, and then just judge from her when to increase the hours & days (I like this bit the best - I know they have her best interests at heart 100%  )
BUT.... My tiny baby is going to pre-school soon! (ok, so not for 8mths lol but still!) Who the heck let her grow up so quickly?!?!?  ------------- http://lilypie.com">
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Posted By: luna
Date Posted: 17 October 2007 at 2:29pm
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We went to a Steiner play group last week. Amelia behaved as if she was at home - which she doesn't do when we have coffee group, and she's known those kids since she was born and we go to each others homes, so I found that 'interesting'.
Steiner sounds just about opposite to Montessori. The play group was structered (to create a calm atmosphere and make the children feel secure apparently). We had play, then they help knead dough for the buns for morning tea. Morning tea was had all together sitting down around a table. Then drawing, then more play, then songs. We left at that point, but it was then outside time & after that a story. Anyway, they encourage imaginative play - most of the toys aren't 'structured' in that they can be used for a variety of uses, rather than if you have a toy car, it can 'only' be a toy car. So, I'm thinking I'll go each fortnight in the weeks we don't go to coffee group, but will miss this week as Amelia has an infection in both ears. PS. I did a google search (with the : nz) on the end for Steiner stuff, you can get a list of schools etc from there. ------------- Selina http://lilypie.com"> 
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