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    Posted: 30 May 2011 at 11:11pm
Ok so for the last month or so we've had trouble getting Jackson to sleep at night. We have the same routine every night - dinner, shower, story, cuddles, bed at 7.30pm.
UP until about a month or so ago everything was fine, we had no problems, he would go to bed and settle nicely on his own, then all of a sudden he started crying. He would go to bed fine and get into bed but as soon as we left the room all hell broke loose.

We've tried letting him cry for a few minutes then going in to settle him, leaving, etc which hasnt worked (CC to an extent I guess). We've tried lying down with him on his bed, which hasnt worked, all he wants to do is play. So far whats working the best is sitting on the chair in his room. BUT we can be in there for up to an hour before he falls asleep!!! Then if we wake him when we leave or when we shut his door his eyes pop open and were back to square one AGAIN!!!!

Help, what do we do, Im at my wits end! Is this normal behavior? Separation anxiety? Im over it
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Is he in a bed or a cot? We have just had exactly the same thing with our DD. She has been in a bed since mid March, and transitioned really well, never got out, settled really well. Then a week ago she started getting out of bed when we put her down, and then getting up at 2am and 6am as well

but.... We managed to turn it around very quickly, by offering rewards. We started with a little packet of Smarties a a sheet of stickers (her most favorite things), we would say to her,
"tonight, we are going to do ( insert night routine here ) and then mummy/daddy is going to put you into bed. If you stay in bed, you may have some emmys(what she calls m&ms) and some new stickers. But you need to stay in bed. " repeated a few times till I knew she had gotten the point. Then we would do all that, put her into bed with normal routine, and walked out and shut the door.
(So you know, this is coming from a woman who fed her to sleep till she was 15months old because I really don't agree with babies CIO, but I was wits end too with a newborn, so sleep deprived also.)
We left her to it, shrieking away, then checked on her just before we went to bed. She was out to it, fast asleep, but still in bed! And no up in the early morning as well. So of course, huge fuss was made and chocolate and stickers were duly given. Then for the next night, we promised some clips (another favorite of hers) and then walked out and shut the door. Only about 10 mins of hollering then. Next night, a promise of something else ( a little less exciting than clips, can't remember) and barely a complaint. Now, it's as simple as saying we can go to the playground at the mall, or any other slightly cool thing we were going to do in the morning anyway... That's enough motivation for her. Because you want the staying in bed going to sleep well to be a matter of course, not one to have to be rewarded. But, I think a little incentive is great.

To be honest, when my mum suggested doing this, I was very very skeptical, I totally thought that DD was too young (23 months) to get the concept, let alone it actually work. But I decided to give it a week of doing properly, and if it didn't work, at least i had made a good effort at trying. Couldn't be happier now.

I hope my rambling has be helpful
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Could he be overtired and therefore finding it hard to settle? Could you try bringing his bedtime forward a bit? I have found that bed time has had to change as the kids have got older, dropped naps etc
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Or could it be teething? My DD always had separation anxiety when she was teething - as soon as the new tooth came through, she was back to normal again...

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Thanks kathamill. Yeah Im not a fan of CIO either, but geez I've been tempted to use it! I like the general idea you used. Im not a fan of using lollies, in fact, Jackson doesnt get given lollies normally so that might not end too well but will think of something else to use instead.

Linzy I had wondered about him being over tired as well. Bed time up until recently was 7pm but we thought the problem was that bed was too early so changed it to 7.30pm. We tried 7pm bed tonight again and it hasnt worked

Dani teething possibly. If it is I really hope they damn well hurry up Im over bed time being a nightmare!
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Originally posted by WestiesGirl WestiesGirl wrote:

Im not a fan of using lollies, in fact, Jackson doesnt get given lollies normally so that might not end too well but will think of something else to use instead.


Haha fair enough, I actually made the mistake of asking her what reward she wanted, her grandmother introduced her to m&ms and she loves them! Needless to say, I pick the reward now.... Oooh I did do a purple hot wheels car, you could buy a whole bunch off trade me (or somewhere similarly cheap) and use those? Or duplo bits? Or pieces of old technology (ie old cellphone, remotes etc)?

Oh, and I definitely think there is a difference between rewards and bribery. Rewards are offered before there is an 'issue', and bribery is offered in the midst of an 'issue'. Slim line I know, but it makes a difference haha
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We had the same problem, about a month ago and our DD is the same age. She'd start by asking for another story and then would cry when put into bed.

We both found pretty quickly that what made it worse was playing along with it, as she's pretty clever and just ramped by the requests and grizzling. So we just kissed her tell her we love her and leave...once she worked it wasn't going to get her anywhere she gave up.

Not saying that your boy is like DD, but I have to say I was pretty taken aback when I realised she was boundary pushing.

I reckon the reward idea's a great one, maybe try something like chirstmas decorations? Sounds silly but I have had great success with those as rewards.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Kimnthekids Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 June 2011 at 8:25pm
haha Westies girl there must be a few of us sitting in rooms at times.

DD is a lot younger, and we have some nights where she sleeps through, but the ones when there is a wakeup - the best way to get her back to sleep is go in, lie her down, and sit on the rocking chair in her room until she is asleep.

We've also tried other methods recently... but we're hoping it is a phase and will stop soon!


good luck!!!
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Oooo I like the idea of cars and decorations. He loves cars so that could work quite well.

And yes MMM, I definitely think that he is trying to push the boundaries because he also started asking for more stories too. Then he would walk to his chair and say "sit there" to us so we would stay in his room.

Yep Kim I think so. I am (reluctantly) happy to sit in his room for a hour or so but DH gives up after 10 minutes

Thanks for the ideas girls Will see how we go.
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