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    Posted: 09 March 2010 at 1:21pm
My daugher is a bully!

To the kitten, to her brothers, to strangers even!

Last week i saw her go up to a strange boy and hit him, while he was sitting on his mums knee! Today a girl was in her way at playgroup and she slapped her. She bit Toby the other week, really hard too.

And as for the poor kitten! she picks it up by the neck, carries it around by the tail or a leg and i have seen her throw it on the ground too!

I am mortified! Neither of the boys were like this and no matter what i do she wont leave the poor kitten alone, and she does know how to do gentle patting and will when i say gently patting only... but then picks it up by the neck five seconds later. i say NO and she runs away, while holding onto the kitten. i am really worried she is going to kill the poor wee thing!

Oh and i got the "look" at music the other day by some of the other mums.. You know the "keep your bully child away from mine" look!

*sigh* never thought it would be the girl who was a bully!



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Aw *hugs* Bizzy, that's no fun! I read somewhere recently that sometimes children hit like that because they're trying to say hello but have got their wires crossed. I know you probably do, but have you shown her what she should be doing instead of hitting? Ie. saying hello or waving, or showing her what 'gentle' means by taking her hand and patting it gently where she'd hit before? Awww poor kitten :( And I guess the other thing to try is making sure you smother her with compliments every time she does do something right or well when intereacting with ppl/animals. Maybe she'll figure out that it's much nicer to be appreciated than told off!! Hopefully it's just a phase that will be gone before you know it. That's just my two cents anyway - we're a few months off 2 yet so will be interesting to see how things go...!


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Just wanted to say I know what it's like when you feel like your sweet child is a bully.... but be rest assured it is normal and it is a stage, and is no reflection on what they are like as a person or on your parenting.

I found that Harry's behaviour was/is worse when
- he's hungry
- he's tired
- he's wanting to interact but the other kid isn't (if they ignore him)
- he's playing with a toy and another kid takes it off him

So I try to make sure he has good sleeps, is full up on food and drink, and I watch him closely to intervene if he's rough. "Don't push if he tries to take the toy off you, just say NO and walk away, then you can give him a turn soon"... "she doesn't want to play right now, that's ok, you go and find someone else to play with"... and many a time "gentle hands Harry". He's generally pretty good (soooo much better than he was) but now just normal toddler behaviour. The other thing I do is always make him say sorry when he hurts someone - he can't say the word yet, so strokes them gently or kisses them. I talk seriously about how she's crying because Harry pushed her over and she didn't like it, poor girl, Harry needs to be more gentle.

The kitten thing.......... that's why we're not getting a dog any time soon! Harry's is more cos he loves animals so much he's unintentionally rough sometimes. This is why we're getting rabbits, so they can be locked away safely in a cage until I can supervise Harry with them lol.

I don't know how you feel about time out, but every time Eden is even remotely rough with the kitten, I'd be inclined to scoop her up and take her to her room "you are too rough with the kitten, you need to be gentle". She'll soon get the message.
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aww no....maybe start talking to her about gentle hands etc...eg ella was taught at daycare (as they all were) not to hurt the bubbas and they had to use gentle hands...she does this with every bubba - or kids same age sometimes - and ive had lovely comments about how gentle she is. If she is too rough ever she gets taken aside and spoken to and then calms down again....doesnt happen often luckily

i saw a mum at the a and p show last week...holding back the tears as some other little girl came up to hers and cuddled and then randomly attacked her child (both aged about 18 months) and scratched the poor wee girls neck so hard it was bleeding...the grandma was there (i was VERY quick to say the horrid child didnt belong to me LOL!) and she could have cared less...I felt so bad for the poor mummy whose bubba was sitting there bleeding....Im sure Eden is not that bad tho...i hope??
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Just have to say - at 18 months they're still babies, that's when Harry did a lot of his biting. He'd sometimes cuddle and then randomly bite. It didn't mean that he was a horrid child, just that he was going through a stage - and as his mum, it was me who was holding back the tears (while dealing with him of course). I'd be mortified and so upset if anyone ever thought, let alone said, that he was a horrid child
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Oh and Bizzy, if Eden is "that bad" - it's not your fault and it doesn't mean she's a "horrid" child at all. I know too much of the guilt we feel as mums - and that it doesn't help when other mums cast judgement on how toddlers behave. Sure, I'd be concerned and angry if the mum didn't do anything about it..... but that's the parent being horrid, not the child.

Bombshell, you might just want to be careful about the words that you use to describe an 18 month old child you don't know. I'd be angry at the grandma for not doing anything, that's a huge concern - but would never call an 18 month old wee girl 'horrid'. How would you feel if your daughter did something out of the ordinary and another parent was telling someone else "oh I was so glad the horrid child wasn't mine" ?
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Arohanui - I have never thought that Harry was a horrid child , and I am sure that no-one else that has met him has ever thought that. He is a normal, happy, sparkly little boy - and lots of (in fact most) toddlers go through a stage of being rough and biting.

I am sure that Eden is the same, its just a stage that they seem to go through. Oli is a lot better now, but used to be quite rough and hit other kids, but mainly like Arohanui said it was when he was tired, hungry, not wanting to share etc. He used to be really rough with our cat too, but we have made a sticker chart and he gets a star if he is "gentle with Henry". Eden is still a bit young for that though, so prob just seperating her and the kitten might be the best and keep reinforcing the gentle hands. We dont tolerate hitting (especially randomly hitting other kids) and we always tell him in a very firm voice that its not acceptable and make him apologise. Its hard because one of his little "friends" is very rough with him (and always has been a lot bigger than him) so he thinks its kind of normal to get the bash, so he started doing it to other kids. Luckily (since starting preschool) he has learnt that isnt normal. Does Eden see her brothers playing rough n tumble a lot? Maybe she is copying their "play"?

I know its prob not a help, but lots of us have been through it. Hang in there - one day you will wake up and you wont even remember that she used to do it!

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LOl should have used quotes - they were the words the mother of the beaten up child used!!! not mine...I was too busy denying!!!

oh and the grandma simply shrugged her shoulders walked off and said to the kid "lets go find your mother" - not a word of sorry etc...shame!

if kids do start to play like that with Ella we usually say the child is "naughty" and that her code word to back away from the kid and leave it alone...cause naughty kids are in time out and you cant go near them! I wont have my child beaten up or attacked so we do remove her when these kids are around....my prerogative entirely!
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