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Katherine
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 11:39am |
I posted a thread in General, but am glad Nikki pointed me to this one. I'm also considering a Montessori preschool for Emma Rose (she's 9 months now but as someone else noted, you have to get them on the waiting list REALLY early, hence the insane earliness of this posting). As I said in my other post over in General, the thing that bothers me a bit about the local Montessori is that they require kids to be in for at least two full-day sessions a week (8.45am to 3.15pm), and to me, that sounds like a lot of preschool for a 2.5-year-old to handle (the age Em will be when she starts).
My own mother owns/teaches preschool, but not Montessori, and her 2.5-year-olds go for three 3-hour sessions a week, so that's the experience that I'm coming from.
I'm also a wee bit worried when I read others' comments about Montessori education not promoting imaginative play. Yikes! I DEFINITELY want Em to do imaginative play.
I'd love to hear more experiences with Montessori preschools. Did anyone start their child in one and then pull them out and put them in something different? Or start off in something different and then switch to Montessori?
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:06pm |
Sorry I haven't been there... but some thoughts I had:
* I think the full days would be too much for my nearly 3yo but I know some kids do seem to do okay in those situations. I guess that will come down to your child's personality (introvert/extrovert?), which is probably not so easy to pin-point at this stage
* I think the Montesori idea is a good one, I first heard about it by reading some books in the Library. But it seems in others' experiences that they have gone a bit overboard with structure etc. They are preschoolers after all!
* Do you know any primary school teachers? Or could you talk to someone at the nearest school to your home? It would be good to get a teacher's perspective on Montesori before booking.
* Would you be able to just go to a playcentre and teach your child all that stuff anyway? (Of course that depends on whether you'll be working etc, but would be a more relaxed environment by the sounds.)
Big decision!  g/l
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:29pm |
I studied Montesorri briefly thorugh my teaching papers. the thing with "no imaginative play" is that they want each play object to be used for it's intention. as in, a play phone can be use as a play phone - not the handle as a hammer. they also try to foster the children into learning idenpendantly more. I'm still undecided about motessori but have decided to enrol Jake and Taine in kindy, te kohanga, and kindy and I figure, one they reach the appropriate age, i can decide on which will be the best for them.
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 12:40pm |
Re: Kids in full days at preschool. This last year, Han has been in creche three full days - 9am -5pm (well, ok I'm usually late so make that around 10am  )
She has coped amazingly well and the reason I put her into full days rather than 1/2 days was so that her routine could be maintained whereever she was. If I put her in 1/2 days then she was more than likely going to fall asleep in the car on the way there, or the way home... which as those of you who have toddlers (or even little babies) if they have 5 minutes snatched sleep - sometimes they think that's ALL they need!
Anyway, now Han has moved up to the next creche which is much more full on and less structured. So I am re-thinking the full day thing as I think she is going to be absolutely EXHAUSTED by the end of it.. and with high kid to teacher ratios, a teacher isn't always going to be there to give her a cuddle if she needs it.
So, how does this relate to Montessori? haha. It doesn't really... except that I think with the structure etc of Montessori, I would feel much more comfortable having Han in full days as opposed to the crazy free play that goes on in Hannah's toddler creche.
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Katherine
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 1:04pm |
Thanks, Nikki, that makes sense. Obviously Emma at 2.5 will be vastly different from Emma at 9 months, and it's hard to imagine her almost two years from now! But I can understand what you mean about how it might be more comfortable for them to be in a structured environment for a full day rather than the free-play environment that a lot of preschools and creches have. That said, I am a big fan of free play, and don't want TOO much structure... Can you tell I'm confused about this? LOL. I think it will all become clearer as she gets older... In the meantime, maybe I will go ahead and enrol her in the Montessori preschool and in a regular one as well, and then make the decision down the track. I hate having to get on the waiting lists this early, when we're still working on solids and sleeping through the night! It just feels WEIRD! LOL
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:05pm |
Well as I posted last year, we have Maya enrolled in Montessori, she started in February when she turned 3 and I can honestly say it is the best thing I have ever done for her.
I didn't realise quite how much she was learning until she brought home her portfolio prior to the "parent interview" (6 monthly progress updates) in July when she had been there around 5 months. She was writing all her numbers, all the letters of the alphabet, and could write her own name.
Now despite the millions of toys she has (Katherine has seen her stash of toys, it is a shocker!) she prefers to spend her time writing and drawing (which drives me nuts because she uses all my printer paper  ) and is getting really good at it.
She goes 9am-4pm three days a week, and 12pm-4pm on a Monday. I think probably part of the reason she copes with the full day is that she was in daycare for full days from very early on, but also because she is quite a busy thinker so needs lots of stimulation.
Katherine, where are you thinking of enrolling Emma Rose? Maya is at Horizons up in New Lynn.
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:24pm |
Just about the full on days. Andrew was at the beginning of this year in fulltime (8am-5pm) daycare. He was fine and was just about 2 when that happened. Things have changed now and he isn't in everyday and most days I usually don't get him there till after 8.30am.
One thing I personally don't like about Montessori is the imagination play. Andrew loves to use Tigger as his baby and will put him to bed in the little cradle they have at his daycare. I do like the writing and drawing things it does help with development (I have done teaching placements at schools and some 6 years old in one class couldn't hold a pencil at all), but that can also be done at a daycare as well (well usually not till they are 4 and do extention programmes).
Andrew's daycare has an emphisis(sp?) on music and the arts - which I love and so does he, so it is good for him. He can sing you the alphabet (has done since just after he turned 2) and counts to 10 then further on with help. His daycare has a monessori section that is away from where he is, but I am sure one of the teachers he has at the moment has come from the Montessori section so I can ask her a few questions if you like and how she has found teaching montessori to "plain" daycare.
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 2:50pm |
Does anyone know where to look for more info on Steiner kindergartens? I've read the ERO report so far but haven't got much further than that..
DP's sister just finished high school at Steiner.. We've been to see all sorts of performances and plays etc over the years and she has become a confident, friendly, intelligent young lady. I don't know much about their philosophies but some of them are a bit strange.. but I do really like how they encourage creativeness..
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 3:36pm |
Hey Emma, I'm glad to hear your experience as well. When we come over to visit you, I am going to pick your brain!!! Be warned!!!
I'm thinking of enrolling my Emma at Howick Montessori Preschool at the All Saints Community Centre in Howick. Since we just moved to this area, I don't know any mums I can ask about the preschool, although I have been putting "feelers" out.
I don't think Maya's stash of toys is all that shocking, personally!!! Emma Rose has HEAPS! And she prefers the boxes they come in to the actual toys... sigh. Just wait 'til Christmas.
P.S. Unrelated, but as for Em's fever from last week -- she has roseola, so the fever is gone but in its place is a nasty-looking rash, which apparently doesn't hurt or itch, just looks terrible. So I'm not getting any work done, as she wants to be held ALL THE TIME, and I'm typing this one-handed!!!
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 8:34pm |
It amazes me how many options there are and the different policies they have. The creche my kids go to only allow either full time, mornings, afternoons or finish at 3.00pm. So even though I have Thursdays off I still have to pay for creche but that in the end works out well for me as it gives me flexibility if I need to change my day off (which happens a lot).
I did hear why they preferred doing it this way but have forgotten.
Our creche was also saying that they would be getting info in FEB about the subsidy for children over the ago of 3...that will help as our fees are about to go up
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Posted: 04 December 2006 at 9:06pm |
linda - as far as I can tell from many creche searching friends... we are pretty damn lucky with the Vic creches.
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Posted: 05 December 2006 at 12:03am |
I think you really need to think about what style would suit your child. Some kids thrive in structured environments and others are more creative and need far more unstructured learning.
We seriously considered Montessori and I looked into it before we left Auckland (they have a Montessori Primary and high school there so we were planning on doing the full thing). I think if we had of stayed there thats where she would have gone. When I went along I found it really good- I liked their style and thought it would suit Charlotte.
The amount the kids learn is amazing! The writing samples up on the wall of the 4 year olds were honestly better than DHs writing. For me it just seemed so good for the kids to be exposed to so much at an age where they are so thirsty for it. At a high school level their stats for going on to higher education were considerably higher than that of the state schools too.
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Posted: 25 March 2007 at 12:40pm |
So glad I found this thread! i am also really interested in sending Cailin to Montessori and love the idea of the structured time, but boy oh boy, I didn't think about with it being so structured that they may not get to use their imagination as much.
I guess it does vary from school to school to.
When I go up to see them at the New Plymouth Montessori I now know what my first question will be about.
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Posted: 16 October 2007 at 9:30am |
just bumping this up as we are in the process of finding a "good" Montesorri for Caitlin for next year (don't ya just love those waiting lists!)
I've been to three so far and am going to another one this afternoon. It has amazed me how different they can all be!
I've been to 1 where they insist on the child being TT'd but would still prefer them to start at 2  This place was 100% Montesorri and was extremely structured (way too much for my liking!), so that one was scrubbed off the list.
The other two I've been to are 50/50 Montesorri and NZ Pre-school cirriculum and have been much better and allow imaginitive play and dress ups etc as well as the structure.
The one I'm going to today is a "normal" kindy that teaches the theory of Montesorri whilst still allowing the kids lots of free-play. I think this is a nice balance, it also sounds like a more nuturing environment which is what we are after as this will be the first time Caitlin will be away from family caregivers.
Just on a side note: I've found it REALLY difficult to find info/reviews on kindys in my area. There is only so much you can get from an ERO report! I don't know anyone who has kids older than Caitlin in Montesorri or Kindy, other than Emma, but Maya's Montesorri is fully booked until 2010!!!
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Posted: 16 October 2007 at 11:46am |
In regards to the Steiner schools, there is an excellent school in Lower Hutt, which starts from kindy and go thru to end of high school.
DF went there for primary school and his mum taught the kindergarten until recently.
DF has a far broader knowledge and education than those of his peers, also the Steiner education system seems to have given him a life long love of reading and learning.
Its a shame we don't have one in Palmy as I wouldn't hesitate to send my children there.
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Posted: 17 October 2007 at 11:38am |
YAY!!!! We're all signed up to start at the Te Atatu Montesorri next July
I had a visit with them yesterday and they are soooooo perfect and lovely there! It's a great balance between the teachings of Montesorri and letting the kids BE kids with dress ups and painting and play dough
They're also happy for her to go 3 mornings rather than full days and are happy to ease her into being there with an hour or so intro sessions with me still at the centre but her with the teachers, and then just judge from her when to increase the hours & days (I like this bit the best - I know they have her best interests at heart 100%  )
BUT.... My tiny baby is going to pre-school soon! (ok, so not for 8mths lol but still!)
Who the heck let her grow up so quickly?!?!?
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Posted: 17 October 2007 at 2:29pm |
We went to a Steiner play group last week. Amelia behaved as if she was at home - which she doesn't do when we have coffee group, and she's known those kids since she was born and we go to each others homes, so I found that 'interesting'.
Steiner sounds just about opposite to Montessori. The play group was structered (to create a calm atmosphere and make the children feel secure apparently). We had play, then they help knead dough for the buns for morning tea. Morning tea was had all together sitting down around a table. Then drawing, then more play, then songs. We left at that point, but it was then outside time & after that a story.
Anyway, they encourage imaginative play - most of the toys aren't 'structured' in that they can be used for a variety of uses, rather than if you have a toy car, it can 'only' be a toy car.
So, I'm thinking I'll go each fortnight in the weeks we don't go to coffee group, but will miss this week as Amelia has an infection in both ears.
PS. I did a google search (with the : nz) on the end for Steiner stuff, you can get a list of schools etc from there.
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