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    Posted: 15 October 2009 at 8:27am
and i feel really guilt about it, but everything is such a battle, from getting dressed in the mornings, to eating breakfast...to going to kindy...to coming home from kindy etc etc

and the constant grizzling when she cant/doesnt get her own way and the stamping of the feet and poking out her tongue and slamming of doors.

I love my daughter to bits, but i dont like her very much at the moment and im just not dealing with her very well and i am trying to hard not to yell at her and to just ignore her behaviour but im failing.

Oh and she is excatly like i was at the same age and mum said she had excatly the same thing...but what do i do.

I want to be a nice mummy, and i want to stop being grumpy with her all the time but im at my wits end and not sure what i can/should be doing.

(oh and i know some of this is related to Cory being here, but we include her as much as possible)

arrghhh i dont know...maybe tomorrow will be better (and i know its no excuse but i am extremely pre so i know im not handling things as well as i normally would be)

thanks for letting me vent


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Kazzle, I used to be the same way as you! Sometimes I still think that I could just give her away & let someone else deal with the sh*t & I'd be happy, but most of the time now she's awesome.

We used to consistently fight over getting her to eat all meals, getting dressed, sleeping through the night, tantrums etc etc. THis was at 5 & had been going on for years!

I changed her diet & cut out all bad preservative & additives & noticed a huge change in her behaviour. Not that we used to eat badly but just the foods that she loved, ie 2 min noodles set her off.

This is the main list of stuff to avoid, the first time I looked in my cupboards I was horrified! I have gone further now & also have cut out a lot of other things including dairy but as a start this made a huge difference. Not sure if it will help you but always worth looking into.

Avoid these additives
   from www.fedup.com.au

COLOURS
   102,104,107,110,122,123,124,127,128,
   129,132,133,142,151,155
   natural colour 160b (annatto)

PRESERVATIVES
   Sorbates                     200-203
   Benzoates                  210-213
   Sulphites                    220-228
   Nitrates, nitrites          249-252
   Propionates               280-283

SYNTHETIC ANTIOXIDANTS
   Gallates                     310-312
TBHQ, BHA, BHT        319-321

FLAVOUR ENHANCERS
   Glutamates incl MSG 620-625
   Ribonucleotides          627, 631, 635
   Hydrolysed Vegetable Protein (HVP)

ARTIFICIAL FLAVOURS
   No numbers since they are trade secrets
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Awwww Kazzle - we are in the same boat, sometimes she is an angel but at the moment, we are battling EVERYTHING - I am sick of the constant whinging/whining, the hitting, the yelling. Some days I want to change my name too - I am so sick of the "mmmmmmmmmmuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyy". Argh!

Luckily she does go to Daycare 3 days a week, from 8.45 till 3.30 so I do get more of a break that if she went to Kindy. Have you thought about increasing her hours somewhere so you get more of a break and she gets more stimulation? For us, its so cheap - that costs us a mere $21 a week.

I do agree with AliasMum about the food thing too - we were just saying the other day that her behaviour has actually improved some since we cut out quite a few things (DH was responsible for the feeding of junk food while I was working - and it drove me nuts how much he gave her). I have found anything red or blue is just a pure no no. I haven't quite got to the same extent as checking for colour numbers etc but I certainly am more aware of what is in our food.

Not much more advice, I think its probably a stage and one we have to get through. It seems to come in cycles I have noticed (and around the similar age as quite often I notice Charlotte is doing similar things to Rhiannon and also MrsMojo's Michaela too - they are all only a few days apart).


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Sometimes I wonder if having a daughter who is just like you makes it harder to deal with their stroppy behaviour.  (Kaz I'm not saying I think you're difficult!  Not at all!  it was just after you'd said how your mum says you were just the same at her age) I'd been pondering this 'cause my girl is of a similar temperament to me, mixed with my husband's incredible stubbornness and dislike for doing something they've been asked to do (ha ha... that makes it sound like I have a horrible family, but really they're awesome).  But I'd love to know if mums struggling with stroppy daughters who are 'just like their mothers' just all find it really, really hard when the going gets tough.  I do, as much as I adore my girl, I am exhausted from having to constantly try and be a step ahead of her.  Sometimes there will be a standoff here that leaves her Dad and I wondering if we should have just ignored the behaviour in the first place, 'cause it wasn't worth the monster-tantrum. 

Don't beat yourself up for not liking her so much right now... it's a phase of hers, she wasn't always oppositional about everything was she?  She'll come right and in the meantime take a break whenever you can... you deserve it.

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It has to a common age + new sibling thing, as we have been going through similar issues which really only seems to be getting slightly better now that our youngest is 1. The diet thing makes sense too, I know Alyssa goes nuts if she has pebbles!!

We have always tried to include her as much as possible since her sister got here, and I try and take her out for time with just the 2 of us. Sometimes earlier on when we would come back from a shopping trip or a whole day of quality time she would be instantly go back to being a little monster as soon as we were reunited with her dad and sister..just felt like a slap in the face! But I realise though that she is a child so I have persisted in these days out alone and she loves them and looks forward to them.

I hate the crying over every little thing though..does my head in!!

Chin up Kazzle, just hope this phase is a short one for you.
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My DD is now nearly 13 and is acting like your 3yr old! Argh!!! Anyway, she was just the same when she was little and also just like me. I found a few things helped.
* A reward chart for good behaviour
* She was/is strong willed and I had heard through a parenting course that it is good to give strong willed children a couple of choices so they feel they have some sort of control. e.g lay out two outfits and she can choose which one she wants to wear. Same sort of thing with breakfast etc.
* Pick your battles!!! You cant fight everything becasue you will end up not being consistant and just being grumpy all the time. Choose one behaviour and deal with that using rewards and punishments.
* give her jobs to do for pocket money (even 20c) as this will help to give her some sort of focus and sense of achievement when she has completed the task. It might take a little bit to get going...but she might get a kick out of being a "big" helping girl and then getting to go to the shop for a lollie or whatever you like.

I know what you mean, as I totally do NOT like my DD at the moment. I do love her, but she is being so difficuilt and awful. It doesn't help that I am pg and feeling like bursting into tears at any moment.

Chin up...it is a faze that will pass (unfortunately it will come back around again).

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pick your battles....

i got sick of the 5 yr old not getting ready in the morning so we made a chart.

you could cut things out and get her to glue them on some card to show the things she has to do in the morning and see if that helps.....

also getting her to pick her clothes, but only have a few options available...

toby at four quite often has his days of "i dont want to go to kindy" and i just say i know and carry on regardless.

also have you spoken to her kindy...mine is great if i have problems at home helping with ideas and once even we used a kindy dress up that gabriel loved as a reward. the kindy teacher let him take it home after he had some something (cant remember what now) a certain amount of times. i find my kindy a great resource for this kind of stuff!

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My partner's DD is almost 6 and we've had all of these issues.

Even now it takes well over an hour to get her to eat her dinner. I'm someone who hoovers down my food so you can imagine how much fun mealtimes are at our place.

Anyway rather than give her attention my partner and I eat our meal and then play scrabble while she slowly munches away.

The other thing we are big on is starcharts. She loves her star charts and her reward is one of those chocolate gold coins.

Along with star charts the other thing I've done is institute a timer. Basically instead of nagging her to get dressed I tell her what she needs to get done (ie. put PJs on, brush teeth go to the toilet) ask her how long she thinks she needs. Then I get her to input the time into the microwave and away she goes. If she finishes on time she gets some sort of rewrad (like playing on the barbie website for a few minutes), if not too bad.
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thanks guys

we have stopped the reward charts as they just didnt work...she just wasnt interested

pepsi, Rhiannon does excatly the same thing of i will have a one on one day with her but as soon as she is home she is a terror, and i just dont want to spend time with her.

I will look into the food side of things...

Today has been a fairly good day...we had gymnastics this morning and then we have spent a few hours with friends having a play date...

so now its some quiet time watching tom and jerry while i start dinner, and hopefully Kent will come home to a peaceful household at 5pm


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Originally posted by Kazzle Kazzle wrote:

we have stopped the reward charts as they just didnt work...she just wasnt interested



i think you have to find the right "currency" for them to be effetive.

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Originally posted by Bizzy Bizzy wrote:


i think you have to find the right "currency" for them to be effetive.


Yup and also at first don't make it too hard to get the reward. Then just gradually increase the amount needed to get there.
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Oh & definitely the 2 option choice is a good way to go.
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yeah im not sure what her currency is, we just cant seem to figure it out

Our reward chart was for getting dressed in the mornings and putting her dishes away after each meal, and she would get a sticker, and each sticker was worth a certain amount....and at the end of the week we added it up and she got to go to the $2 and spend her money.

but it got to the stage that she didnt want to spend her money and she just wasnt interested in teh stickers.



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i think you need to have it for just one behaviour and give her somethig tangible... and maybe instead of stickers do something like pebbles or marbles in a jar. you could say that after 5 days she could have one balloon (or something else you know she likes) for each pebble and a bonus like a new colouring book or hairclips or whatever if she has five pebbles... or a lucky dip of stuff like that from the $2 shop.

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Oh my word, this post could be about my little cherub! These last few days I have almost torn my hair out at the constant grizzling, arguing, foot stamping, throwing of toys etc etc etc.

I usually never raise my voice louder than a stern kind of tone, but I have found myself actually almost yelling at him, which I totally hate. I thought it was just me, and I needed to take Evening Primrose or something LOL!

Good luck Kaz, I'm sure it will all get better in time.

Oh, and hi again everyone! Been a long time since I visited
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kazzle....I hated Alia over the weekend too...

love her to bits but my god she can be so dumb, she really frustrates me at times!

Thank god for school. Although we had a good morning this morning. No TV & she didn't get up til 8 so basically I just got her clothes & put them there for her while she ate her breakfast & did some homework. I got her lunch & bag together. Wish every morning could be like this morning, but then I did everything for her.
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hi guys.

had a better time over the weekend...did a lot of stuff with her, like baking and crafts etc...af arrived this morning, which explains why i suddenly started to feel really calm...lol

i have decided that some things like not eating her breakfast is just not worth getting my knickers in a twist...instead she can come to me when she is hungry and she can have a choice of either cereal or toast, but she has to eat what she asks for.

also now that we are back at kindy she is running off that excess energy so isnt so in my face.

I do love her to bits and she is a wonderful little girl who is a big big help to me with Cory and other stuff.


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big hugs for you kazzle

we found that the star chart would wear off very quickly also took us ages to find her "currency"

but from all the fun stuff you did over the weekend mabye have some of those as the rewards, our DD's rewards are baking & crafty things or if shes really good having a friend over. she loves looking through cook books and choosing what she wants to bake

each morning i make her a milo and then she has a choice of either cereal or toast but she has to choose something before the egg timer go's off & if she doesnt then its weetbix ( she hates weetbix so always chooses something)

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each morning i make her a milo and then she has a choice of either cereal or toast but she has to choose something before the egg timer go's off & if she doesnt then its weetbix ( she hates weetbix so always chooses something)

Thank god I'm not the only one using a timer. My partner's ex thinks it's aweful that we use it on SD5. But I find it keeps the peace a lot more in our house by avoiding the constant need to nag the child to eat her dinner/get dressed etc.

Oh and on star charts I found that the more 'success' she had the more excited she became about finishing them.
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A timer.. why didnt I think of that!?

We have had an awful time with B over the last few weeks, hes suddenly started swearing, hitting and using the finger at anyone and everyone... We found a rather unconventional, but effective! way to curb the swearing (No violence involved, I swear!) and have gone back to the old reward charts again for the rest, along with the dawdling in the mornings, and general attitude (whinging/crying if he doesnt get his own way, saying no to us etc...) It worked great for the first week, but then earlier this week it was like ALL his bad behaviour came out in one go!

I found his 'currency' last night though, my computer! IF he gets enough ticks on the chart he gets an hour on my computer to do whatever he wants... he loves going on the computer or his grandads iPhone, so fingers crossed this time it works!

He did have an extremely boring morning yesterday... he was ready for school by 8am, but after his behaviour over the preceding 3 days, i decided no tv, no toys, and no talking to anyone... he had to sit on the couch and do nothing... gave him plenty of time to think about what he needed to do/stop doing in order to get the time with his toys and watching his fave tv back again!

And LOL Aliasmum, B is going away this long weekend and it couldnt have come fast enough! I feel a bit sorry for those parents who dont get a break from their kid/s but omg... with his behaviour, i almost LIVE for those breaks by the end of the fortnight!
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