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    Posted: 26 August 2011 at 10:28pm
DD (16mo) was a really good sleeper. Slept through from 7 weeks and was pretty good for her first year and a bit, with the odd hiccup put down to teething or growth spurts. At 9 months I used the verbal reassurance technique to wean her off feeding to sleep at night which worked fantastic and she was a perfect sleeper from then on.

We then moved house at the start of June (at 14mo). It took a little while for DD to settle in but after we dropped back to one day sleep, things seemed on the improve (not perfect but pretty good).
Not long afterwards, she started being very unsettled to go to bed at night (day sleep was great) and since she was teething (all 4 eye teeth) and I had horrid morning sickness, we ended up letting her fall asleep on us most nights as it was the only way she would go to sleep and stay that way.
After a few weeks of that, I decided I had to sort her sleep so we decided to use verbal reassurance again since it had worked so well at 9mo.
First night of that and she climbed out of her cot after 30 minutes of screaming, chipping her tooth in the process and from then on was terrified of the cot for both day and night sleeps.

That resulted in sorting out a temporary big bed (double mattress on the floor) as her new room is in the middle of being painted. Once that is completed, she will go into a king single bed we have in storage.

She is now taking anywhere from 1/2 an hour (on a fantastic day) to 3 hours or more to get to sleep (both day and night) and will only fall asleep if I lie down with her and the occasional night we end up rocking her to sleep on the lazyboy (last resort).
We have a solid night time routine, she is clearly tired and ready for bed but just refuses to go to sleep. She constantly tries to get up and leave the room, wants to play, go see dad, anything to not go to sleep. Eventually (after lots of laying her back down etc) she starts getting a bit upset and either falls asleep (good night) or works herself up more and more until she finally crashes hours later, again sometimes on the lazyboy.

Every night Im getting more and more anxious of how in the hell im going to deal with this when baby #2 comes along. DH helps as much as he can but his work commitments mean that bedtime is left mostly to me. I am now halfway through my pregnancy and feel as though I would have never gotten pregnant to start with if DDs sleep had been like this before (even though this baby is very much wanted and the timing in theory works really well for us).

She is teething (2nd molar coming and going) but I dont know if that is enough to be causing this, if there is something else up or if a bad habit has just formed. Any suggestions on how I can sort her sleep problems would be great - we are heading to the doctor monday to rule out anything else.

Also, have you had similar problems with a firstborn when a new baby has come, and how have you coped?

Im at a complete loss of what to do and feel as though Im banging my head against the wall - any advice or comments would be appreciated
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Hmm... i don't have sleep problems with DD1 yet but i have found that you just don't have time to dwell on "bad habits" with your second. You're so busy dealing with a toddler still that they seem to just work in around it. It's much easier second time around. By the time you've gone to deal with your first one's issues the second has usually settled themselves or they're happy to be carted around as you chase after the oldest. That has been my experience.

Also, I felt a little negativity towards my pregnancy with my second too. She was very big and i had a hard time of it and wished a few times i wasn't having another baby so soon. That all went away the minute she was in my arms, this time around i was already a mummy and i bonded instantly. I even told DH i wanted a number 3 right there and then. So it's normal to feel that way and you won't know until the baby is here what it's going to be like. Don't worry.


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Very much in the same position. Not sure what's gonna happen in 6 weeks or so when #2 arrives, but I'll keep you posted
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T_Rex, I have been chatting to a good friend of mine today who had similar issues with her DS before her DD was born.
She suggested one of two things:
First off (and what she did) was to have night routine, a set amount of stories, explain that its bedtime and that they need to go to sleep then leave the room.
Allow them a set number of times getting up and leaving the room (she used three), each time putting them back in the bed, explaining its bedtime and they need to go to sleep, and then leaving again. On the last time, tell them if they get up again the door will be shut (level of understanding may or may not be there but warning given). If they get up again, put them back to bed and shut the door.
This WILL result in them crying so not to everyones liking but it does get results. First night for her took 2 hours and her DH was practically holding her down on the couch (think she went in once to check he hadnt poo-ed or anything, left and shut the door again), second night was 40 minutes and third was straight to bed.
The other thing she suggested was visiting a nautropath about natural calming drops. A friend of hers used these before bed to calm her DS down and it worked well. Was a bit more long winded in resolving the problem and they then had to start weaning him off the drops but another solution if youre not keen on letting your DD cry.

My plan of attack is to get her checked out for any ear/throat infections just in case, make sure shes not teething, get her into her new room and then reassess which of these options is best at the time.

Hope your DD settles down for you soon, its bloody hard work huh
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Oh and DH came in and lay down with us tonight and she was asleep by 730, so much better than last night but definitely not something that can happen every night.
Nice to have a peaceful evening without the crying/screaming and frustration for DD
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I am NOWHERE near ready for number two lol But my DS (18 months) has been a shocker sleeper from day one. First it was day sleeps when he was a newborn. Then the nights turned to sh*te as he got older. If he isn't teething, then he has a cold, an ear infection, a urinary tract infection, you name it! Sometimes he settles like a dream at night, sometimes (like tonight) he doesn't. Sometimes it makes me angry, sometimes I am understanding Depends on how tired i am

Anyway, don't really have any ideas for you as such, but just wanted to say EVERYTHING is a phase and I'm sure things will settle down with your little one before number two arrives.
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KerryLea I don't have any advice re the sleep issues as DS has been an ok-ish sleeper (he had his moments between 10mths - 13mths of us having to lay down with him to get him to sleep then creep out of the room and spend the while night panicking that our footsteps might even wake him up) but that has since gotten better.

DD came along when DS was 15.5 months old, I was really worried about how she would fit in with the times when DS does wake at night, when he doesn't go down ok for day/night sleeps - especially when DH has to travel for work and I'm on my own. But I'm pleased to say (touch wood) that it just seems to work - it's not always easy with two but when things go a bit pear shaped, they just work because you kind of have to just go with it! I've spent many nights rocking DD's bouncer with my foot as I feed/bath/change DS likewise I've had to invent ideas to keep DS occupied while I'm tending to DD.

My motto is 'this too shall pass' and I've had to repeat it a number of times in the last few months hehe, but the good times far out weigh the hard times.

All the very best and I really hope things settle down for you before baby two arrives

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