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    Posted: 30 August 2008 at 2:44pm
Around 18 months DD1 started hitting, we thought all fine and good we'll deal with it, it's just a phase. But six months later it's worse, not better and both DH and I are at our wits end. We don't smack (personal choice) and there's no family violence here or anything so she can't be modeling our behaviour; she does go to creche but they're very good at keeping on top of kids hitting etc. and I've discussed it with them many times as we work together to try and come up with solutions/be consistent.
What confuses and upsets me is that there doesn't seem to be a trigger for her. She routinely slaps her baby sister in the face, really hard. As in, she'll be walking through the kitchen and DD2 will be in her bouncer, not crying or anything, and DD1 will reach over and smack her face. This happens at least once a day, and that's with us being super-vigilant and pre-empting many other attempts.
It's not just DD2 either - we can be out in public, like at the airport and if DD1 sees another kid she'll often walk over to them and grab them and push/pull them until they fall over for no reason! She kicks DH in the face when he leans over her bed to kiss her goodnight and runs up and bites my legs.
I will put a disclaimer here that probably 50% of the time she's absolutely gorgeous and a wonderful kid. She has a huge personality and at nearly two is speaking in whole sentences and very clearly, people often think she's much older than she is.

Is this aggressive behaviour just a (very long) phase? Has anyone else come up against it with their kids? I just don't understand what is causing it and how we can get her to stop. We've tried redirection, ignoring it, telling her off, taking favourite toys off her, putting her in time out (which doesn't work) and paying lots of attention to DD2 when she's hurt....I'm running out of ideas and half the time just want to cry that my beautiful girl is doing all of these horrible things. Please help! Should I be looking at taking her to see someone? Even as I type that I think it sounds ridiculous - she's only two!
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Gabrielle has these phases too. We usually go with ignoring for screaming, and immediate "thinking time" for hitting.

It can also help to give them control over little things. Sometimes behaviour that doesn't appear to have a trigger is just the outworking of other frustrations. Does she get to choose things such as shoes, cereal etc?

Thridly, modelling gentle hands etc as an alternative and playing games / roll playing etc can really help.

I hate to say this again as I've raised it alot but when Gabrielle starting hitting, we took her to a chiropractor (for other reasons) and her pelvis was out. This effects the whole central nervous system by throwing the spine out of alignment. After he corrected her pelvis the hitting stopped....totally & immediately. It recently came back and we took her to the chiro and sure enough her pelvis was out again. Since having it corrected (a very gentle adjustment) the hitting has disappeared again. The result was immediate.

Not saying it is the same for you but do keep it in the back of your mind.
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Fi, I've actually been thinking about something like that. Was it a specialist child chiro or just a general one? Did you get a recommendation or call around? I was thinking cranial osteopath, but I think it was the chiro you took Elle to that got me thinking. I'm willing to try anything at this point! We do the 'gentle hands' thing with her to show her how to treat people every time she hits/kicks etc. and she gets it (even nicely stroking my face when she says sorry each time) but then thirty seconds later she'll go and hit again
We have trouble with thinking time/time out because she doesn't care - if she's in a spot in the hallway where there's nothing to do she thinks it's a game (I've spent up to an hour putting her back there again and again and again), if we put her in her room she plays in her bed (there's no toys in there anymore). Just doesn't work for her.

Thanks for replying too - I was beginning to think I was on my own with all the views of this thread but no replies!

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I hesitate in bringing up the chiro as I know so many people are cynical but the hitting thing was one of the hugest improvements we saw. Out of the blue one day she just started to go up to kids and push them (as far as I know she'd never even seen pushing before!). It all stopped straight away and she relaxed so much. Now I know that if she gets aggressive we need to go back. So far we've only had to go back once.

We were referred through a friend who had fab results with her children's sleep problems (he couldn't totally fix those for us sadly but the other improvements have been great). Our one is a chiro/osteo/kinesiologist in one and I'm not sure how many there are around with dual qualifications.

It makes sense from a medical point of view - the central nervous system is a shealth that runs along the spine so any tension will lead to physical manifestations. Kids are more sensitive to those. As adults I guess we also notice that if we put our back out we get referred pains / tiredness / headaches etc.
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My Sienna is really aggressive too, altho thankfully seems to be only with her sisters, mostly Mercedes but occasionally Maya and Chiara too and she mostly does it out of frustration.
I have no idea what to do about it, we've tried time out and that doesn't seem to work. It fixes the immediate problem by taking her out of the situation but it doesn't seem to be teaching her that it's an unacceptable behaviour.
We're seeing a paediatric psychologist with them (long story) and I just had to fill in a questionnaire for them about the girls behaviours and I mentioned Sienna's aggression, I'll let you know what they suggest as a way of dealing with it next time we see them.
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Emma, that would be awesome. Good luck with the psychologist, and thank you for offering to share what they say, I would be really interested (and appreciative).
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Jake used to be very similar. the "best" one was when my mother was admitted to hospital for emergency surgery. Jake was with us and ran up to a random doctor as he walked past, and kicked him in the shins. Charming.

at the wrehouse we had to be careful about keeping him away from other kids as he would randomly smack them as we went past.

We didn't really do anything that you haven't mentioned, and gradually he grew out of it, and now he is a very social kid - he makes friends very easily, so i guess for him it was a (very long at the time) stage. Oh, the first time we met up with Nikkiwhyte's little fgirl Hannah, I think he whacked her...and perhaps bit. Now they are fine.
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We are working through this phase too at the moment, it's improving slowly, to the point I'm not scared of taking her to playgroup anymore. No new or out there ideas, just empathy with you for how things are going,
we ignore the bad behaviour and give the hittee(for want of a better word) lots of attention and excited play. Fay just doesn't (or wont) get the concept of sorry at the moment.
Good luck and yeah I would be interested in the idea of chiropractor if our current good spell (which occurred at the same time she realised that mummy got more upset at her not eating than she did with her hitting)
It's not something you are doing, I was just embarrassed that people thought she was mirroring our behaviour at home
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