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Mazzy
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Topic: Sleep Store experts? Posted: 21 February 2008 at 9:36pm |
Am I imagining it, or did Oh Baby have one of the Sleep Store people as an Expert in the 'ask the experts' section? I can't see it now and wanted to ask a question - can anyone point me in the right direction?
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Posted: 21 February 2008 at 9:40pm |
I think that there was one awhile back. I remember seeing it too, I also remember seeing something about how they had too many questions to answer???
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 10:05am |
Yeah I remember it said there was too many questions to answer, if you go to their website you can ask but you have to pay for the advice.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 10:37am |
I got advice from the sleep store expert while she was on oh baby. What's the problem? If it's similar I can pass her email on.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 10:43am |
We used to, but now we have a new sleep expert, Dr Alex Bartle. If you email info@ohbaby.co.nz and put in the subject line that you have a question for the sleep expert Kelly will pass it on. We're in the process of getting his photo and details added to the Experts page.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 11:29am |
Aha! Knew I wasn't imagining it. Thanks guys, will email Dr Bartle. But since I'm here and you guys offered I'll ask for your expert advice as well! Was going to post something but thought I'd take advantage of the Oh Baby site as well - I forget sometimes that it is more than forums!
We've had three weeks of DD sleeping really well in her single bed (after the climbing out of cot/falling on head phase), she'd go down fine, maybe yell out a couple of times for us to come tuck her in again but never leave her bed and go to sleep pretty quickly. Now all of a sudden she's a complete nightmare in the evenings. We follow all the same routine, nothing has changed, except that she will not stay in bed. She keeps getting up and walking out of her room, laughing and thinking it's great fun. Last night we walked her back to bed nearly 65 times before she settled! We're trying to be consistent, catching her as soon as she comes out the door or we hear her, saying the same thing 'No, go back to bed, stay in bed etc.' and tucking her in and going out again. A couple of times we've tried staying in the room with her but she still plays up, jumping on the bed or saying 'na night' to us and getting out and going to leave us in the room! It is doing my head in, having to spend hours trying to get her to go to sleep. Only when she is completely exhausted does she crash. And she's still waking at 6am! Her day time sleeps are a mess too, she does the same thing and the only way I've managed to get her to have her naps occasionally is if I've slept beside her (out of exhaustion!) or if we've been out and she falls asleep in the car, then is fine transferred to her bed. What can I do? What have others done? I want my good little settler back!
Don't really want to put her back in the portacot because I feel like that would be taking a step backwards, there isn't really any room for it in her room and I'd really like to have this sorted before baby arrives, so that we're not dealing with this and a newborn's sleep patterns at the same time!
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 11:36am |
Have you considered closing the door (this is what I do) or putting a child gate across it so she can't leave the room?
I haven't had much experience with this but on supernanny they seem to just continually put the child back to bed until they get the picture (which is exactly what you're doing) and eventually the persistence pays off although since it's cut to fit into a 1 hour episode it prob seems much easier than it is.
I'm sorry to say that I have similar issue except since she can't leave the room she just has a great time destroying it until she's too tired to do anymore damage (or there's nothing left to throw around). So I'll welcome any advice for this issue too.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 11:44am |
p.s. This may sound really nasty but at 9:15 last night because she was so tired and I'd already cleaned the bedroom twice since her bedtime I climbed into bed with her and held her (thrashing and screaming poor wee thing) until she calmed down and went to sleep.
When I first taught her to self settle at 10 months I did the same thing (held her down in her cot because if she rolled onto her belly she'd pull herself up and never go to sleep). I only had to do this for a few days until she got the picture and started self settling without issue.
Unless anyone's has a better idea I'll be trying the same again over the next few days and I'll let you know how it goes.
ETA: Wow, this method sounds a lot nastier in writing than it actually is.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 12:02pm |
The gremlins are staying in cots till they're 45. or until they learn to climb out which will probably happen first.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 12:09pm |
We moved Michaela from her cot because she was banging the sides in her sleep and waking herself up. We put off moving her for about 3 months but finally made the move and the first week or so in the big girl bed went so well and we were feeling so smug (that was our big mistake I think).
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 12:17pm |
Mine thrash around in theirs but it doesn't seem to bother them too much which is good coz like Mazzy I really don't want to be battling them to stay in bed and dealing with a newborn. The gremlins still end up all over the cot too so I'd be worried they'd fall out if I took the sides off (they have cot/beds).
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 2:12pm |
We used to close gabriels door if he got out of bed, after a warning that is what we were going to do...
Not sure how old your child is tho..but sounds like she is just testing and the more consistent you are with her the sooner it will take.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 4:14pm |
Thanks guys. She's 17 months old, and is totally being mischief. I wish we could still leave her in the cot! She got a nasty black eye and bruised head from climbing out and dropping head first onto the floor, so not keen to repeat that expeirence.
Just last night we tried the closing door thing, didn't work that well because she just trashed the room (including unscrewing the handles off her dresser) but better than her coming out all the time. I think it may have settled her a little quicker because of the complete darkness, but that is marginal. If I lie in there with her now, she kicks, hits, bites me and pulls my hair - where did this demon child come from???!! Might keep trying closing the door and see how that works. I figure consistency is the key, it's just so hard to keep your cool when it goes on and on and on.
Will be interested to hear how you go with Michaela - let me know.
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Posted: 22 February 2008 at 4:57pm |
i think gabriel was about that age too... and it can be hard...i remember standing on the other side of the door while he sobbed his heart out then he fell asleep right in front of the door... must have looked a sight with each of us on the other side of the door crying away...
before he started that i used to lie with him, but at the other end of the bed and just keep lying him down. that worked and he would then stay in bed by himself eventually until he learnt he could get out and come in the lounge or play...
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 8:07am |
Hey Mazzy
Since you wanted to know....
Friday night when I got home Michaela's room was a complete disaster zone after she'd spent afternoon nap time destroying it. So I quickly put away my groceries and sorted out her dinner then went upstairs and rearranged her room so nearly everything (bookshelf, toy draws etc) are now in her wardrobe we're she can't get at them at night time. The only things I left out were her play tent and her soft toys.
I put her to bed as normal and only had to go into her once before she went to sleep (only an hour late). Saturday routine was a bit of a mess because we took a trip out to the country to visit my parents and she went down easily becuase she was exhausted.
Last night was the real issue. We stuck to her routine completely and she went down at normal time and I left the room closing the door behind me as usual. Almost straight away a friend of mine called me (funnily enough to find out if I could recommend a sleep expert because she's having the same issues with her son who's a day younger than Michaela). I was outside talking on the phone when DH came and told me Michaela was still crying (usually she'll cry for a min then play for awhile so this was a bit odd) I went back upstairs to check on her and heard her gagging, quickly opened the door, hung up on my friend and pulled Michaela into a hug just in time for her to puke all over me  . She'd got herself so worked up that she made herself vomit.
On the plus side once I showered her and changed her into clean pjs she went to sleep really quickly and stayed in her own bed all night.
OK, so I know I've said this before but tonight I'm going to go back to holding her in bed while she settles. What I'll do (same as last time) is sit on the floor with my back to her and my arm slung across her body until she's asleep. It's a bit time consuming but at least it's still light enough for me to read a book while I do it and it'll be much better than what happened last night.
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Posted: 25 February 2008 at 8:45am |
My mantra has become 'do whatever works'. Poor thing (and poor mum!) getting so upset she vomited. Fair enough you want to avoid that again. We haven't had that yet, but DD certainly knows how to scream.
Good plan putting all the toys away.
We've gone back to the portacot, after a week of spending 2+ hours trying to get her to settle (whether the door was open or closed) we'd had enough. First night back in the portacot she went straight to sleep without a murmer. Second night she called out once for us to tuck her in again, then straight to sleep. I guess she really isn't ready for the big bed yet. We're going to try keeping her in the portacot for a week, set up next to her bed, and then see if she will go back again...theory being that she relearns to stay in her room/bed at night and for her sleeps. Will let you know how it goes.
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