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    Posted: 01 September 2009 at 3:19pm
Daniel has always been "slower" at reaching all the milestones than most other kids his age. Like he didn't crawl properly til just before his 1st bday, didn't walk til 17 months etc so I'm sure that his talking is probably going to be the same but plunket are slightly worried about his language now.

I know that some plunket nurses suck but the one I saw I actually like, shes sensible and has given me advice in the past which I have actually respected. There is some language therapist that is going to be at the centre in about 6 weeks that she thinks I should go along to her chat and try and catch her afterwards to talk about Daniel but I wondered if anyone knows of anything I can do in the meantime to encourage his talking..

He has lots of single words but doesn't form sentences or pair words up except for a couple of things like red car.

He's figured out ways of getting around the lack of talking, like if he wants something he will come grab our hand and drag us to what he wants rather than saying the word, if he wants us he will come and grab us rather than saying come mummy or something like that. He tries to repeat some words that we say but if it seems a little odd or hard for him to say he says "aat" - which I still haven't figured out what this word actually means lol.

There is nothing wrong with his hearing at all so its not that.
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There are a few SLT's on OB, so hopefully one of them will read your post. I think Flissty is one.

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I am interested in seeing the replies too, as my Daughter who is just over 2 year old, didn't move at all until 18 months, then bum shuffled, at about 20 months she started crawling, but mainly still shuffles as it's quicker and she can hold things in her hands at the same time. Has recently started cruising furniture and climbing, but is not walking unaided yet. She says alot of single words, but never two or more together. She has alot of 'made up' words too, that I recognise and respond too - not sure if maybe this is enabling a lazy approach to her speech...? Had her checked by a paed for the non walking thing, and she was x-rayed as well, and he says she is fine.
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Yep, I'm an SLT.

Disclaimers - I am not a paeds SLT and I can't really comment on specific cases without seeing the child but here's some general info ...

It's great that you're happy with the PN and are keen to get more info. My line is that if you have concerns, it's always better to get checked and get some personalised advice. Hopefully the SLT will be able to help when you see them.

Normal language development can vary greatly. Usually in threads like this, you will have people posting "I didn't talk till I was 3 and I'm fine now" (actually, I didn't talk till 3!) but there are broad norms. Here are a couple of links to information sites from international SLT organisations that can give you more info as well. The ASHA ones give you tips about activities you can do ...

ASHA - late blooming or language delay?
ASHA Language development aged 1-2
ASHA Language Development aged 2-3

And this is information from NZ's Ministry of Education about how to help language development.

HTH. Feel free to ask any questions!
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I am a SLT too I worked in early intervention until recently (so preschool age) but like flissty said it is impossible to give specific advice without first assessing your child.

My main suggestion would be if you have any concerns have him assessed. You can self refer by phoning Special Education - MOE. Because of the high demand on these services there is often a waiting list that's why i believe if you have any concerns you are best to get him on the waiting list as soon as possible. It maybe that by the time he gets seen the difficulties have resolved but at least you have the option to be seen if not.

To give you a VERY rough idea at around 18 months you expect children to have a vocab of around 50 words. This is the stage they typically start combining words to make short phases (such as the one you mention "red car"). Words are often unclear at this stage as there speech sounds are still developing so it may take you hearing the words and phases a few times before you actually click to what they're trying to say. Development 6 months either side of this is considered within the normal range.

To facilitate language development in children of this age I would generally recommend (and these are probably things you are already doing);

1. Keeping you language VERY simple when talking to him/her. If your child is using 1-2 word phases it is best to try and keep your sentences to 3-5 words. The child needs to comprehend the language before they will be able to use it so keeping your language very simple helps develop their comprehension.

2. Talk lots! talk about what they are doing and what you are doing. Repeat repeat repeat... they need to hear the words many times before they start using them.

3. When your child tries to communicate their wants and needs to you (i.e. by dragging you etc) give them the language they need (e.g. "biscuit, biscuit, you want biscuit, yummy biscuit")

4. You can try to set up situations in play where the child needs to make requests. Then help by providing the appropriate language. Praise any attempts... However, I would concentrate your efforts much more on giving your child language rather than trying to get them to say it as it can get too demanding for some children. So lots of No. 2 :-)

5. Expand your child's phases by repeating back and adding some information. For example if your child said "dog" you could say "yes, dog, big dog, hi big dog".
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I will have to go through and read these suggestions when I'm not so tired, as Jett isn't saying anymore than 3 words at the moment - mum, dadda and nana.  The plunket nurse said she was concerned and that he should see a therapist now, but I thought that since he understands everything we say to him, that he will get the speech soon enough.  He too comes and gets us when he wants something and points to what it is.  When he started saying his first words i.e. mum, he was also saying a few other words but when he got to about 15 months he stopped that and started with his own lingo.  His lingo consists of a few sounds "mina mina mina minaaaa", and "bida bida bidaaa".  Sounds nothing like the english language to me!  He can sort of say Gia - "Dee da" he says, but doesn't use her name to talk to her, just when I ask him to repeat it, he will.

 

So thanks for making up this thread, Stacey!

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thanks for the info and the links ladies, I will try to read up at a slightly shorter date when I can concentrate on it a bit more.

Blair is a bit younger than your Daniel, but it sounds like he is in a similarish situation. He does have one 2 word sentence "what's that?" but has limited other words. DH apparently was a 'lazy' speaker and was late with his speech so thinks that B may be the same. Let us know how you get on


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Italiah - sometimes as children begin attempting phases it can appear their speech production is regressing as it becomes more difficult to understand. It is also normal when children are learning lots of words to hear a word a few times and then it disappears for a while. However, if you feel he has regressed (i.e. losing lots of words at 15months) it is always a good idea to get an assessment carried out - just phone ministry of education - special ed.

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Thanks guys for the info. I'm trying to change a little in the way that I talk to him and even just doing it yesterday he picked up another couple of words. So I'll just keep trying those suggestions.
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Jakes exactly the same so maybe its a boy thing coz seems there are a few of us here?? I';m not too worried. Hes super-fast in other areas so I figure he'll get to working on the language part of his brain sooner or later. Will be using some of those tips to encourage him though
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Yep babe in general boys are a little slower with language development. However, the norms are based on both males and females. It is impossible to tell without assessing a child if their limited language development is ok or not as there are so many variables that need to be considered. So despite the fact that all these kiddies sound similar there maybe factors which make one child's lack of language more of a concern than others IYGWIM... For example, a comprehensive assessment will normally examine; receptive language, speech sound production, oral motor movements, vocabulary, hearing, play skills, other areas of development (i.e. gross motor, fine motor skills, cognitive development), social development and so on. So delays in language could be attributable to many causes, yet two children could outwardly appear similar. I'm definitely not advocating everyone rush off and have an assessment but if it appears your child has little to no language at 2+ an assessment would be a good idea
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I think part of Daniels is that I'm naturally a bit more of a quiet person. I don't sit there yabbering all the time, so he's probably gotten that off of me. I do talk to him but probably not as much as some other parents. He understands almost all of what I say and has excellent motor skills and his hearing is better than mine! He hears that his dad is home before I do.
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Freckle I think I will contact a speech therapist sooner, rather than later.  I'd rather get on to it now while I can, instead of when baby is here (or closer to the time I'm due), and my time will be restricted.  Rico didn't have very clear speech til he was at least 3 1/2, but did say lot of words and was putting words together.  Jett just isn't saying many words all together!  And I am getting tired of hearing his lingo.  He's a social little boy and goes up to strangers and 'talks' to them.  Of course they just smile and say 'yes' back to him because they can't/don't understand a word of it.
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Italiah - I think that's a good idea - it maybe he's fine but best to know where he's at I reckon... esp with another baby on the way!

It's pretty typical for their speech to be a little difficult to understand when they are first developing language this isn't usually a big concern. The main concern initially is that they are attempting lots of words so it's sounds like Rico was pretty typical...
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Just thinking too Stacey, if you do put him in daycare for a couple of days, you might find that his language skills pick up dramatically then too. Charlotte has talked from 18 months which I attribute to daycare. But yay already for the extra words!

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Yeah I thought that too. Gotta wait and hear if they have a place for him. Its the only daycare I actually liked.
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I once taught a boy who didn't say a single word until he was about 3. then one morning he said to his mother "Can I please have marmite toast for breakfast mum?" She just about fell over! He spoke in full sentences from then on!

Just a quick question for the SLTs
My son has just turned 2 two days ago. He has heaps of words and is starting to link two together like "mummys car" blue car, more please, etc. However some words he says the beginning of really clearly but omits the end sound. Would that be a speech language issue or an immaturity thing? For instance he will say do instead of dog. Some words are completely clear, others he omits the end sound. It seems to be a real struggle for him, like he often says has has has HAT!

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Freckle will be more reliable, having the paeds background, but from my memory, at 2, it would be a developmental thing (i.e. related to normal development rather than a developmental concern).

It's quite embarrassing how much "basic" kids stuff I've forgotten, having never practiced in the area. Hence all my disclaimers in my early post
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I so know what you mean flissty - I'd be lost working with adults now!

SimoneF - as a child's language develops they use processes to simply the speech. There are many of these processes and they result in certain predictable sound changes and structural changes to the words. As their speech develops these processes slowly disappear. One common process observed in young children is called "final consonant deletion" - which sounds like what you are talking about. Typically this process has resolved by about 3 years of age. It is definitely not a concern at 2

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Originally posted by freckle freckle wrote:

One common process observed in young children is called "final consonant deletion" - which sounds like what you are talking about.


I remembered this last night while brushing my teeth Thankfully I haven't completely lost the plot - all those lectures by Gail are obviously embedded somewhere deep in my brain.
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