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    Posted: 15 June 2009 at 3:01pm
My 3 year old boy Stacey reads and writes very well. He's also good with basic maths. My mum has been on and on about seeing whether we can put him into school early.
He's big for his age so he is about the same size as most 4 - 5 year olds but I worry that he just won't cope. Does anyone have any advice on where I can get him a more interesting environment without resorting to sending him to actual school.
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Tui we are finding this with our little one, she has just turned 4 and is doing very well with reading, word recognition and some basics of maths.

You are right to be worried about sending to school early as I have found with my nephew who was very advanced for his age, he was put with children older than him but found it hard as emotionally and developmentally he wasn't at the same stage socailly etc as they were, which is just as important as knowledge as they tend to try and fit with their peers.   It's better to start schoola thte hnormal time as their little friends and the school will pick up on the level he is at and cater to him in what they do as they are used to catering for all abilities - I know some children start school having never even held a pencil, and others can do alot.

What we are finding is we are doing a few things to challenge Ayja's mind and she leads this. She goes to daycare in addition to this so she has things to do that keep her interested, with the reading, we have found our local library great for helping. They have a great range of books that we used for Paris and are now using for Ayja.. (dunno if you have seen Zip on tv in the afternoons but it is his range of books with about 5 different levels) she is progressing really quickly with these.

Maybe enrolling him in kindy if he doesn't already go... or another thought could be montessori, they do have extension classes there for children in some of the afternoon sessions, I remember a child i nannied would go and they would teach about the world, maps, maths, all sorts of really interesting stuff that would probably suit your wee man.. The only problem might be the cost wiht that one.

I have been wondering about this sort of thing, My husband is a little worried that by going with what ayja is doing now, (totally her lead, we don't push, just provide opportunities and she takes them..) that she will be bored at school,(when she gets bored she gets very naughty and mischievious) but again i have said what i said to you, they test them and find what level they are on and cater to that at school.

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Thanks Mum2Paris -
Stacey does go to the local kindy in the afternoon but I think your right and I will check out Montessori.
My mum often takes him to the library in the mornings after I leave for school/work and sometimes there are classes of school kids there which he really seems to enjoy.
It's also great to keep us in books as once he reads one a few times he wants new stuff.
I started school early and I remember not liking it at first but I coped. I was 4, however not barely 3 and there is a big difference emotionally -like you mentioned.
Can't wait to check out Montessori now ... will try to make an appointment this week. Thanks again.
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Hi Tui,

I don't think legally kids can start school before 5 now? Well if they can, I never heard about it in my 3 years of training. All I know is that they legally have to be in before 6, and can go as early as 5. So it may not even be an option.

If you have a kindercare (I think that's the franchise anyway?) in your local area, they have a really structured approach (well more so than most DC and definitely more than most community kindy's) for 3 and 4 year olds.

But I have to agree with Janine - the social side of things is really what you have to look at. Also, we spend so much of our lives in school, work etc it's nice for kids just to be kids for as long as possible. The effects down the track are worth thinking about too - all his friends (if he starts early) will be able to do things earlier, like drive, drink, stay home alone etc. I noticed even being 6 months younger than most at school it drove me nuts
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Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Hi Tui,

I don't think legally kids can start school before 5 now? Well if they can, I never heard about it in my 3 years of training. All I know is that they legally have to be in before 6, and can go as early as 5. So it may not even be an option.



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yip your right - legally they can not start before 5 for insurance purposes.
We tried to get Bay in 2 weeks before his 5th birthday just so he could start school with the rest (begining of the year) and they wouldnt even allow that! so id say its not even an option.

You could maybe try tutoring...
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Honestly 3 year olds are too sweet to put into the school environment, I really noticed the difference between the mentality of a just 4 year old & the 5 year olds at Alia's birthday.

I was going to suggest Montessori as well. Once he gets to school, work in with the teachers to make sure he is at the appropriate levels. They will test him & they seem to do a lot of testing at our school so they should be on top of things.

Not sure where you are but maybe chose a smaller school so that he won't get lost in the "system" Really good community spirit & all the little kids know the big kids & vice versa. Kids switch classes based on their level of learning in certain subjects as well.
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Yes, I think your all right about school... he's far too young. He's just turned 3 after all. We are definitely liking what we see at Montessori and may move him there soon. It's a far better environment... and the teacher said they encourage the good readers and let them read to the other kids sometimes which Stacey will love. He's a story teller all ready!
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another thing you can do with children that are reading and writing well early, is little projects like expand there knowledge in depth. eg instead of reading say, 'the cat is playing with the ball' get her to do a project on cats, different sorts, sizes, colours you know not just yellow, but gold marmalade, lemon etc. This is wat we were advised to do with our children as our 3 older ones were reading writing, doin maths very early. We also let our daughters start piano and violin when they were 3 and they both chose to stop again when they were 6 and 7. Even so both our girls 10 & 7 have skipped either 1 or 2 years at school.
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Originally posted by Andriea Andriea wrote:

another thing you can do with children that are reading and writing well early, is little projects like expand there knowledge in depth. eg instead of reading say, 'the cat is playing with the ball' get her to do a project on cats, different sorts, sizes, colours you know not just yellow, but gold marmalade, lemon etc. This is wat we were advised to do with our children as our 3 older ones were reading writing, doin maths very early. We also let our daughters start piano and violin when they were 3 and they both chose to stop again when they were 6 and 7. Even so both our girls 10 & 7 have skipped either 1 or 2 years at school.


What a fantastic idea. My mother is going to start taking Stacey to piano classes while I'm at work we think he will enjoy it as he spends alot of time playing hers when they are at her house. I will start with the extended colours as well... thanks :)
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This is really interesting for me. I think I have a smart cookie on my hands and would love to hear what yours were doing at 2 (or nearly 2). Tom knows his alphabet (as in he can recite it and recognise letters). He counts to 12 and then randomly adds some of the teens in and has started counting things from one pile to the other (he did this himself). He knows the basic colours (ie that of a crayon set). Talks really well. Practices his words and sentances by swapping words around like "Mummy's making milo" "Mummy's making porridge"..all done to a sing song rhyme.   He has memorised most of his books and recites them as he turns the pages....at the right part! He also picked up a telecom bill the other day and said "telecom" DH and I thought WTF???? we opened a bill in the car the other day and must have discussed it amongst ourselves whilst little copycat was listening and watching in the back.

I am wanting to stimulate him and keep feeding his enthusiasm for learning but dont quite know what to do. At the moment I just talk to him heaps and explain things to him without dumbing it down too much.
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Hi nzpiper -
Stacey just turned 3 but let's see at 2 he was already good with alphabet, basic reading (cat in hat) and numbers (basic) and 1 + 1 type of things. Physically he walked well by 10months and was completely potty trained by 14/15months - first in our mums group of babies by a long shot. He literally hated having wet pants ... so probably something to do with it.

His speech was very good like your baby... He would talk to people and it would blow them away because they couldn't believe he was only 2. You should hear him now... I have to make sure people know how old he is because we want him to be treated like the baby he is .. if you know what I mean (he's also tall sooo)

Recognition of every day random items was also very good. And he would say things like "we need to remember the bread" copying me from hours before when I said something about remembering it when we got to the shops.

I definitely think there are similarities to your baby at his age. Try basic 1+1 type of games and perhaps start word recognition of the basic words ...   he will let you know if he is interested - we took our cues from Stacey.. he wanted to know/try things so we just gave him the opportunity. He loves the computer - word games - if you have one there great!
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Thanks Tui, that is really interesting to hear. What a smart cookie you have .   I notice Tom is very interested in things that we talk about. Yesterday he discovered dice so we have had lots of talks about dice and counting the dots etc. I am just waiting a few weeks to see what he comes up with following that.

In saying that, he is still being a typical 22 month old and not going to sleep as we speak....calling out for me and telling me EVERYTHING he is doing...its funny to listen to but I wish he would just GO TO SLEEP
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I think the main things that are important to teach a child before going to school is how to pack their bag, how to get their shoes on. Going toilet on their own etc. I couldnt see a little 3 or 4 year old coping at school.

You sound like you have a really clever cookie! I was also going to suggest the project thing as well, at school I was put a year ahead, and then had a special class that I went to every day for an hour with a few of the other smart kids. (If only i had paid attention at college though!)
We had projects to work on every week. Mum also put me into Piano lessons.
Janaya seems to be going down the same track, she, like Stacey was toilet trained early and would talk so well at an early age. She could write her name and sing the alphabet, before she went to school she was reading "hop on pop".
Janayas school have been really good with her, at our last parent teacher meeting they had planned to get her using more describing words in her sentences, just little extra things to keep her going. At home all she does is read and write
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Gosh it is so encouraging reading this. I read an article on "gifted" children and was suprised that gifted didnt mean little einsteins.....just brighter than average (which isnt too hard). I think we all have some pretty special wee ones dont we .....mind you..how advanced is wanting to watch Mamma Mia EVERY DAY!!!!!
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