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    Posted: 14 March 2009 at 2:17pm
ok so went for the 22mnt check for Ty and asked if he could say a sentence...not that anyoen can understand but he talks his language...he says a few words nothing major but uses sign language....if he wants you to put something down he will tap the ground ....over the last month he has been trying to say more and i know he has wanted too but he gets way frustrated that we cant understand him..........she said that he sould be saying a sentence like...'more milk' etc......i said that if he wants more he goes and gets it himself....................... anway she said she wanted to refer me to child development centre at the hospital.........but asked if it can wait till next appointment.......to me he is doing fine and he looks at our mouths when we sound things out..........he says the same amount as 2 other kids his age so wat does everyone think? should i just take him to the centre?
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My mates boy is 2 and a half and is only just starting to put small sentences together and plunket have never been concerned about him just told her to encourage him to use his words more. I thought it was mostly girls talking in sentences at that age. Kids develop at their own rates and you should only be worried if its concerning you. Thats just my opinion anyway and i dont always agree with my plunket nurses ideas.
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cute pics by the way...........................

yeah ihave major probs with plunket they said to me that he should be sitting more cause he shouldnt be that active..... and then.... that he was ADHD.............'not every kid has ADHD .................i wasnt concerned about his talking until i started thinking about what they had said.
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I'd take those comments with a grain of salt!
If he understands you & can folllow simple instructions then he is fine. Obviously he is concentrating on his motor development & will progress with his communication when HE is ready.

bahahaha my Kals must have ADHD too!
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Nah I think she has seen too many girls lately. Most kids seem to pick up a handful of words every week upon turning 2, closely followed by stringing them together. You could do some simple encouraging at home if you want to, such as when he signs something repeat it back to him in words (You would like a drink, please? Okay I'll get it for you) but he sounds pretty normal to me.
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Amy didn't talk much at two - just a few words and a lot of her own words and abriviations (sp?). The plumket nurse we see gave us a referral to the speach therapist which was just one session here at home (about an hour). She gave us some things to practice and work on each day for about 10 mins and now we can't get Amy to stop talking!!

The reason that many give a referral at 2 (when a lot of children are still not that verbal) is because they are not seen for a year and it is harder to *fix* at 3 than 2 and they miss a lot in that time in terms of development and interation with others. Might be worth getting checked just in case.

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He sounds okay and the plunket nurse is probably over reacting.

HOWEVER - you sound worried. What will it cost you to get him checked out further and do you think you will regret not going?

If the answer to these questions is "nothing or not much" and "probably" then I would go anyway. It will put your mind at rest at the very least.

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Jack is the same age and he has a very small amount of words although I have noticed in the last fews days they have increased. He speaks alot less than his friends who are the same age of a month or so younger. However Jack's motor skills seem so much better than his friends, so Jack has obviously been focussing on those rather than words.

As Helen said if it is not going to cost you much too go I would but only to see what they say. I wouldn't be worried too much
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Dominic has only just started to say sentence and to use words more. His friend who is 6 weeks younger isn't using anywhere near as much language as Dominic but is doing things that Dom hasn't figured out yet (riding bike etc). Ty will get there, you can tell by his comprehension if he understands you and getting frustrated about not being able to communicate is actually good because it will give him the impetus to start talking.
DH's nephew didn't talk until he was over 3yrs old, nothing wrong with him, he is a very smart boy (incrediably intelligent actually) just talked late.
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I would probably take him if they've recommended it, what can it hurt? At least you will know for sure that there are no problems then.

Jake is 20 months and can say lots of 2-3 word sentences (started saying two words ones at 16months), and probably well over 300 words now (I lost count) ... he can pretty much repeat anything you say. But I have been told by his daycare a couple of months ago that he speaks better than most of their 2 year olds, so maybe thats unusal (although a few of his friend are the same - and funny enough the boys are saying more than the girls in his coffee group).
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einstien didn't start talking until he was four
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talked to my brothers friend who is a speech thearpist and her son is a few months oldeer then mine and hers says the same amount...she said it was normal and im wasting my time going as ty can do alot of other things that kids his age cant and its not like he isnt trying too...she said that once #2 is born that his speech will pick up faster..........she also mentioned eintstein which is so correct..................plunket has been so wrong on a number of things with ty its lucky i dont panick and do my own research before taking the next step.........no wonder so many people think there doing something wrong
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We found with Dominic that a lot of things really improved when #2 came along. He started doing a lot of things for himself and got a lot more confident with his walking, climbing etc, and his speech definately jumped forward in leap and bounds. I think that when they are still an only child we tend to baby them and maybe hold them back a bit. Then all of a sudden we are very busy with a newborn and they have to become a lot more independant. It was actually really good for Dom, he loves being the big boy and doing some things for himself.
Lots of interaction with other children also speeds up their speech development.
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Have a bit of faith in yourself and your judgment. You are the expert on your baby not plunket!

It can be quite liberating to ignore plunket advice and just carry on doing what you believe in and be proved right!

Babies don't grow in a straight line like the growth charts and they don't all do things on cue like they've been studying the plunket book while you haven't been looking.

You would know yourself if you thought something was wrong. Not talking at this stage definately doesn't mean your baby won't be any less bright later on, it doesn't really mean anything at all.

Everyone always says 'all babies do everything in their own time' which is soo cliche but only because it's true.

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Personally I don't see the harm in getting him seen... a referral and assessment from a speech language therapist through special education doesn't cost anything (I am one :-)) and as I think someone mentioned earlier the waiting list for treatment is often quite long so if he does need some extra help be good to get on the list early... The chances are he's fine though!!
Below is a link to a good guide on typical speech and language development ... generally children have around 50 words by 18 months and at that stage they start using little two word phases but there is a big range and you do need to look at his development holistically...

http://www.asha.org/public/speech/development/12.htm


Originally posted by TysMummy TysMummy wrote:

plunket has been so wrong on a number of things with ty its lucky i dont panick and do my own research before taking the next step.........no wonder so many people think there doing something wrong



Also when children do have difficulties with their speech or language it isn't necessarily a reflection on parenting!! it definitely doesn't mean the parents a doing something wrong... some children just have some difficulties with no identifiable cause....
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Originally posted by freckle freckle wrote:



Also when children do have difficulties with their speech or language it isn't necessarily a reflection on parenting!! it definitely doesn't mean the parents a doing something wrong... some children just have some difficulties with no identifiable cause....

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totally agree and that is why i think plunket nurses need to learn how to speak to parents /communicaton and not be so judgemental.....my friend got told by a nurse basically that she was doing everything wrong and she shouldnt be bottle feeding etc......she ended up adopting mini out.........i feel for her every day.

on another note..........specialist said ty was normal and so many kids have been put on to him from plunket that shouldnt have been and he was so angry.....ty can make his bed ty his laces etc and he gets frustrated cause he cant talk the words he wants to use but i think he is trying to say the big words first......i asked hubby where the dictionary was and there ty was trying to say it.........now that he knows baby is coming to play soon he has been saying all the baby words like nappies etc.............having said all that tys friend is 3 and he still says not one word which is scary....i dont think i would wait that long
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Man, that is really sad that the plunket nurse made her feel that inadequate!! I think it's really luck of the draw with plunket - some of them are great and some not so! With my latest I had two visits and decided it wasn't worth the effort... I guess many of the referrals are based on the checklist type assessment they do? which would have the potential to result in over referral as it isn't looking at the child's overall development as a whole IYGWIM...

It does sound like ya wee boy is doing just fine, and parents know their kids the best! as long as you have some idea where his development should be (and you obviously do) then you'll know if ya need him seen or not... and I agree that a nonverbal 3 year old probably needs to be seen by a speech language therapist...
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from a different perspective - I saw a documentary a while back where scientists were studying childrens and babies behaviour. There was a case study with a woman who had triplets, they were all very different temperament and development wise proving that parenting didn't play a major factor in the ways the children developed.

One of the girls was a bit slower to talk the mother was worried about it but found out she scored very highly much more so than her siblings in empathy tests i.e flash cards of facial expressions and guessing their emotions. And she scored much higher in i.q and general observation testing also. Of course this is just an individual example but it gives you an idea on how children develop in different ways.
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Lilypad - there have been a few interesting multiples case studies - although alone they don't prove anything and in general the concensus seems to be that development is influenced by natural and nuture. I think it is important for parents to be aware of where their child should be developmentally as then if they feel their child's development is not where it should be they can seek professional help, which would initially involve assessing where the child is functioning at. Often, as in the example you mention, the child is doing just fine and no further help is required but without this knowledge the parent would continue to be uncertain. And this is not always the case - sometimes children do need that extra support to meet developmental milestones
and is the very reason we have norms... But I agree that they do need to be applied with caution as there is a huge variation is what is considered typical development.
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I totally agree... I would be the first person to ask for help if I thought there was anything wrong with mine or they needed specialist help etc. But what i am saying is that usually the mother will have intuition that something is a bit amiss and go look for help themselves if they feel like their child needs it or bring it up with plunket themselves etc.

In a situation where the mother feels the child is doing well overall then are told by plunket that there is something amiss with they child they should trust their own judgement and not be swayed or put off by someone elses assessment.

There is nothing wrong with asking for help, seeing specialists etc. but i feel in this case and many others the child is doing more than fine for his age.

I think there just needs to be a balance here - just because someone says there could be something wrong with your child it doesn't mean there is - even if it is from plunket.

I have a bit of an issue with plunket because they told me off for giving my 10 month old formula out of a bottle. Apparantly blue milk out of a cup is the only option!!!! My boy like alot of children that age couldn't really handle a cup properly so it just wasn't going to work for us.

Plunket on the whole is an amazing fantasic service and provide so much support for mums but I don't always agree that's all.
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