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    Posted: 12 October 2007 at 9:42am
Hi Ladies,

I am doing a paper in Creative Writing at University. This semester I am submitting a short story. I have had feedback from my initial readers that my character that is suffering from infertility seems a little ‘cliché’. I am wondering if I could ask you all a HUGE favour…could you please tell me how this journey feels for you? I’m interested in all kinds of information and experiences. Even if you could choose three words that sum up how you feel day-to-day, month-to-month. What things to people say that make you cringe/cry? How do those closest to you (in my story – sisters) make you feel? Do they hurt/shame you without realising? I have had some feedback from a very close friend who had her eggs collected, but I am seeking a broader perspective. I appreciate any insight and help you can give me, but also respect your choice not to expose yourself to yet another stranger. I am happy to show any interested parties where the story is at now, and also to provide anyone who assists with an electronic copy of the final work.

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Esther
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If you want Esther, I wrote a lot about IF in my blog when I first kicked it off - there should be a bit there for you.

Otherwise, unfortunately IF is a bit cliche. You have good days, and you have bad days, you have days where you feel like you're the only person on earth who has ever and will ever go through what you are. I have family who are incredibly supportive, and yet there is another significant family member who will change the subject or even end a conversation if our IF and IVF stuff comes up. IF is a terrible feeling of failure and loss and struggle, of helplessness, and sometimes, the hate towards others who have never been through it can take over if you let it.

Just a few weeks ago at work I gave someone some information about a course at work, and he asked me if it was school holidays (it was someone I had dealt with a bit). When I said that I had no idea, he said "Oh. You're one of those. Too busy enjoying the high life eh, to think about kids?" I have no idea whether he was joking, but I had to make a choice whether to abandon professionalism and rip sh*t out of him or not. I chose not, but it gives an example of how some people think about seeing 30-somethings without children.

Yet, this morning, my boss came in laughing because he'd heard something on the news about a hospital in Melbourne doing an embryo transfer, and the doctor dropped 7 of the 9 embryos. It was honestly so horrific, it was a bit funny - yet, it didn't upset me.

I think you develop a dark sense of humour a bit with IVF and IF.

You get sick of hearing 'It'll happen when it happens' and 'Just relax' and any number of other things to teh point where you want to thump someone but you can't.

... I could go on all day

Have a squizzy at my blog, seriously, the early posts. Also, other blogs worth looking at (internationally noted blogs too) are A little pregnant and So Close.
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Thanks Ginger,
I actually read your blog every day (and post anon occasionally!) so - there you go, one lurker exposed!
Some of the 'feeling' I was aiming for has come from reading both your and Tertia's blog and from my girl friends experience. I'm going to have a read of 'A Little Pregnant' now too.
Please let me know if you'd be interested in looking over the bits in my story - if you are PM me your e-mail address and I'll send it through. If not, not offence taken!
Thanks!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ginger Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12 October 2007 at 11:15am
I don't mind looking at all and I'm happy to have input - bizzarely, from my perspective, it may help someone have a better understanding of IF along the way. My first thought when you said that feedback on your story that your IF character was 'cliche' was ... well, obviously that wasn't coming from an IF person!
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LOL - yep! My reader has not gone through the IF journey. But, as neither have I, I figured they may have some valid points.
What I have discovered, in most aspects of human nature, is that clichés exist because they are based on reality.
Anyhow - it (the draft story) is in your inbox now Ginger - poor you!
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I thought I'd add to this.
The things that bother me the most, is seeing young mothers with babies, ie Teenagers. In my small regional city there are lots! I get annoyed at them for dragging a baby round they don't appear to want. Or sitting there smoking cigaretters etc and telling the child they can't have something from $2 shop.
I get very envious and think why them and not me?
Another thing is my friends just 'getting' pg just like that...... We are all in our early-mid thirties.
Oh and people saying they got pg by 'accident'. I mean, it wasn't an accident you knew what you were doing! And last but not least, is the people that find out we are doing IVF and regailing some story about people they know who got pg naturally just before starting IVF or during the process, and how that'll probably happen to us. I get cross and tell them, 'blocked tubes is blocked tubes! They can't be unblocked, so that ISN'T going to happen to me. They still mutter, 'oh but it might'
Those are the things that seem to upset me.
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Thanks so so much ladies!
One more thing...how does this impact on your relationship with DH/DP? Does it bring you together, or drive a wedge between you? Do you think this is different depending on the reason for the IF?
Your responses are making me quite tearful!
Thanks!
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Hi surfergirl
I don't want to put a dampener on things, but as an academic I feel obligated to tell you that your university would probably take a very negative view of what you're doing, in regards to asking people to tell you about their feelings and experiences, especially givne that this is a pretty emotive issue. Reading blogs is one thing, but when you actually take the step of asking people to give you information, you're doing research and all universities require that research be preceded by a robust ethics process
I know this might seem like overkill and pedantic - obviously if people don't want to respond to you they don't have to - but you could get in trouble for conducting research without following the appropriate process. Just a word of warning.
By all means read blogs etc though.
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Thanks for the feedback.

Firstly I would like to apologise unreservedly if my asking this had/has offend anyone or raised any ethical eyebrows.

I think it was fairly clear that I was not conducting any kind of academic research, but if this was what was implied I am REALLY sorry.

This was merely an intended ‘chat over the keyboard’ amongst friends, had it been in real life there would have been a cup of tea or glass of wine offered.

I’m sorry to all involved in this tread and would be happy if someone feels it appropriate for this to be removed.
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