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    Posted: 12 May 2011 at 9:26pm
OK so i have a very active and cheeky toddler like I'm sure many of you have but i was just wondering when "cheeky" , "Active" and " adventurous" turn into something a bit more like ADD or a behavioural problem ?

ill just give  a quick rundown of her behaviour from birth to now .

birth- 6months: colic , reflux,  crying constantly, she would cry for hours on end every day , would not go to anyone but me ever! , would only breastfed and refused a bottle 
until
 about 8months, screamed for 5hours straight once because i was not there when i went out for the first time when she was about 3months old ) , woke up 8-10 times every night and hardly ever had a long day nap .

6-12months, still had 
severe sleep issues until i did the sleep sense programme around one, VERY demanding , gets into absolutely everything , cries allot weather at home or in public,  already started to lash out at me when frustrated or angry , still only crawling but already trying
 to escape at every chance , tries to climb out cot already so i wrap her up in a very strong safety sleep for every nap and sleep,

12-18months- walking now so runs everywhere and always tries to run away weather shes at home , at the mall , at someone 
else's house,she has started to hit and lash out more , still in safety sleep as will not lay down without it and still trying to climb out cot, still extremely demanding , wont ever hold my hand , throws many many tantrums , fearless- will try anything and isn't
 scared at all by anything (big slides , heights, new things)

18months-present (22months):out of safety sleep and sleeps pretty well now yay!, she has 
discovered her bedroom windows and that she can unlock them (already tried to escape until i put kid locks on them ), unlocks and opens ranch slider door and will try and run out at any chance so i always have to lock at top, will never listen to "no" , started to bite a child at preschool , snatches toys from other children , lashes out at me all the time (pinches , hits etc ) and she has also now started to hit , pinch , and bite herself really hard when she is angry or frustrated or cant get her own way, she still throws many tantrums in public and at home , she will always try and run away in public but screams when i put her in her pram , still extremely fearless which scares me to death because she just doesn't seem to care , she will try jump off things from a height , isn't fazed by moving cars etc , if we go to anyone's house i can never ever sit down , not even for a second because she gets into absolutely everything she shouldn't
 be

i love her to bits and she 
isn't always like this , she can be lovely and cuddly and she is very bright and very outgoing , she isn't shy in the slightest, she says heaps of words (preschool have commented many times on her awesome vocab) but i just worry because my half sister was just like her as a baby (according to my mum - even the reflux/colic , running away , escaping out windows ) and my half sister had huge behavioural problems and went to many counselors and was pretty much diagnosed with ADD and now as a 30 yr old adult has a very checkered past with a stint in jail , no custody of her daughter , never held down a job , can be violent and lash out , very irrational etc , also my dd's natural dad (who i have not been with since i was pregnant and does not see her at all ) has ADD and bi polar as well as clinical depression (yes i sure know how to pick em   ) i just really worry that with her aunt and father both having these sorts of issues that genetically she may have inherited them . I have spoken to her Dr a few times about it and he is very aware of what she is like because she isn't always a perfect wee angel for him either and he has mentioned a few times how very active she is but i guess they don't diagnose anything until they are older . i think i discipline her pretty well , i don't live in a violent household at all , she has me and my dp who she calls daddy and has been around since she was 4months old , my dp has a 6yr old that we have about 1/2 the time and she gets on pretty well with her so she has a pretty stable household , we don't scream at her or hit her (have been known to raise our voices a bit at times i guess because of her behaviour  but that's about it), she knows that she goes to timeout when she is naughty and it works a little bit , she tends to listen to dp alot more than me and preschool don't really have much of an issue with her apart from the biting .

do i need to be worried or am i just being paranoid ?




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remember Julz kids tend to lash out and push the buttons of their main caregiver the most and any attention is good attention to them.

Did I ever tell you that my younger brother at 2 while mum was heavily pregnant with my youngest brother and she was picking me up from kindy took off down the long driveway (a good300mtrs) across a main road and down the backyard of the house across a street where there was a pool. Mum was saying she could never go anywhere with him without a harness on him.

She might just be a VERY active toddler, I'm not sure who normally diagnoses ADHD public health nurse? Mum would know but she's dealing with another brother drama haha.

Lots of kids I know are a handful, and Nia now climbs everything and just yesterday was climbing the stall bars at My Gym without me being there and running across the hotdog and falling off it. She also stands at the top of playgrounds and leans out without a second thought.


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She sounds quite determined and active but I think she fits well within "normal". Maybe you could call into a Plunket centre someday and just hang out there for a while. They could give you a second opinion or perhaps some pointers if you need them.
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I don't think she is doing anything you wouldn't expect of that age, and also I would expect it to get worse before it gets better it's not called the terrible 2s for nothing.
The other thing to think about as well is she might be stressed from the EQ and that could be magnifying her behaviour. Around this age is when they really tend to lose it and can't express the emotions they are feeling and I'm pretty sure a lot of the time they don't even know what they are feeling so then trying to deal with an earthquake on top of that can't be much fun for them and must be really really hard for them to process. I've been told if they are talking about and role playing earthquakes, like building towers and shaking them down etc that that's a good sign that they are coping ok but if you are worried and if she's in daycare then it might pay talking to them as the ministry of education I'm pretty sure has people on hand that can help the little ones with dealing with the EQ stress, I know we were offered it through our sons kindy and also through barnados (they go to in home care)and I'm pretty sure the offer was from the MOE. Otherwise speaking to your gp about would be good as they should be able to put you in touch with the right people.

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I'd recommend you read this book "Fed Up with ADHD" by Sue Dengate, should be available at your local library. As your DD had reflux she might have food intolerances, the natural food chemicals might also be not helping & sending her body out of whack. My DD now will not eat coloured lollies cause she knows they make her feel like crap. I spent a lot of time yelling at her & the battles were tiring when she was younger... thank god they aren't that often now. Who knows...it might help?

Other than that you sound like you've got one little determine escapee on your hands!

eta: what I'm saying is not that I think your DD is add or adhd but the book really opens your eyes to how add/adhd behaviour and also learning problems can & are caused by food, I now know this from personal experience.

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She sounds like a very high-energy, sensitive child but that doesn't mean she has a disorder. Sounds like you're doing an amazing job with her & are being very patient even though it must be very draining at times. I think the difference between ADHD kids and 'normal' but lively kids mainly has to do with their ability to concentrate on a task, but since all toddlers have short attention spans, I guess it's hard to tell the difference at that age. I've seen quite a few books at my local library on positive ways to deal with high-spirited children, how to recognise their needs & help them channel their energy into constructive behaviour... maybe you could check some of those out.
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Julz - (Rainbow -aka MistyMolly July 09) - if you are really concerned and want your mind put at rest then you could request a referral to be seen by a paediatrician who will assess all areas and reassure you and advise you. I am not at all suggesting that I think there is a problem, but it may help you feel less anxious about Amelia. It can be hard to work out what is "normal" toddler behaviour and what is over and above that! I can empathise as my DS1 is very strong willed and can be a real challenge at times.


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Don't have a lot to add but just wanted to say sounds like you are doing the very best, I did want to say how you describe her sounds quite typical of her age, not every kid for sure but some are more full on that others, I certainly know one wee boy very similar no fear, very independent etc... he is very clever too, at just 2.5 can ride a bike without stabilisers or anything, totally toilet trained due to independence, in fact there isn't much he can't do on his own!!! It does mean that this independence comes with a lot of tantrums as for all his fearlessness he is still a two year old and they have emotions they find hard to handle.

I like the idea of hanging out at a plunket centre, that would let you and somone totally new to you see and give you an idea.

 


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i would say dont be too quick to label her... a lot of it sounds very normal behaviour. i like AandCsmum 's idea too though.

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Hey Julz, wow it sounds like you've got your hands full with DD (my DS is the complete opposite, pretty chilled and defo not a thrill-seeker) but that could just be normal toddler behaviour?  But I can see why you're worried as you've mentioned her bio father and aunt both have problems.  I'd try the Plunket approach firstly and if you still feel there's something not quite right (you know your DD best), then perhaps a paed is the next step?

It sounds like you are doing a fantastic job tho, keep up the good work xx

       
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thanks for all the messages and support and ideas ladies  . i might try that plunket idea and i will also have a look out for that book next time im at the library . I had another chat to my dr on friday and he is going to refer me to someone just to have a chat about her behaviour and putting some stratagies in place to try and disiplin her or work out why she does what she does.

I have thought about the earthquakes cuppatea but she doesnt really seem too fazed about them and her behaviour hasnt changed since getting the earthquakes , she was like this before them but at the same time i dont think its helping the situation as altho she doesnt seem to be too fazed by them she definatly notices when we have an aftershock and likes to know exactly where i am , as long as shes near me when one hits shes fine but if shes in another room she does run out to get me .

I have had a really hard weekend with her and i was glad to go to work today for a wee break ( i work part-time ) .She lashed out at her aunty this weekend (the one that was like her as a baby and has issues now as an adult)  she hit her about 3 or 4 times for no reason , she also tried to run away from me several times at the supermarket yesterday as i made the mistake of letting her walk in as i only needed to get one thing instead of putting her in the trolly , i wont do that again. on the plus side she impressed a big group of adults at a childs birthday in the weekend with all her words , some lady asked her her name ( i dont think she was expecting an answer) and amelia proudly says in  a  veryclear voice "Amelia Rothwell" haha the lady was stunned and even more so when amelia answerd how old she was when asked  when shes being good shes a very loveable wee girl and strangers do flock to her because shes so outgoing and chatty .

I think the hardest thing is when i go out with other mummy friends with kids the same age and the kids are soooo much better behaved than Amelia . its always been like that , ever since she was born , amelia was always the one screaming as a lil baby and now shes always the one that throws the most tantrums and runs a riot  . i am at the point where i actually put some outings off completly as im either too embarassed with her behaviour or im just too tired to be running around constantly and saying no this and no that . i swear iv lost about 5kg since Amelia started walking  i never sit down!

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well today we have had a really bad day and its not even 1pm yet . Took amelia to the movies today for the toddler session of angelina ballerina with her step sister who is 6. There were other children her age and younger sitting there and watching and amelia loves angelina so i thought she might be ok , well i was very wrong! she liked the fact her fav show was on on a big screen but she was also running around like a mad child , screaming , trying to steal other childrens food , she bit me really hard and then she also went behind another mother sitting there minding her own buisness and hit her on the head for absolutly no reason , i was so embarassed we ended up leaving half way through . all day she has been into everything  and doing absolutly everything she knows shes not meant to doing including ripping up books , hitting me and her step sister , trying to knock the tv over, throwing her plate of food all over the ground and trying to climb out her hight chair and im about to loose the plot . Im coming on here to calm down and take a breather for a minute .

I just called her biological dad who hasnt seen her in well over a year and has nothing to do with her (his choice) and we spoke for a while about what he was like as a child and he told me that he was diagnosed at 5 with ADD and put on ritellin and he was on it up untilabout 4 years ago when he has decided not to take it (even tho he is meant to ) i was explainng her behaviours and he said it was him to a tee as a child . i knew he had behavioural issues but its nice to know exactly what and when it was diagnosed . I must admit i am getting very worried , she will be 2 next month and im sure her behaviour is more than just terrible twos , im sure its not all in my head . She is like a little hurricane from the moment she wakes up at 6.30am till the moment she goes to bed at 7pm , hyperactive all day every day and with all thats happend in chch over the past 10mths  (we are in a bad hit area without sewerage since sept quake and streets a real mess , power cuts frequantly, and since the last quake 5 days ago we still have no water at all so cant shower or wash or even do the dishes in our own home ) I really feel like my stress levels are at an all time high , maybe i need to get medicated LOL .

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*hugs* Try and not worry, kids change SOOO much from now until they go to school. I have been through a lot of what your going through with my DS, but he goes though phases, good ones and some really horrible ones(devil child, I call him! lol) and my DD who is just a bit younger(21 months) she is a right wee madam at times, never listens, runs everywhere, tries to copy her brother and jump off things, she climbs on to everything(the dining room table is a favourite) she throws huge tantys! gets mad and hits, and really its all just her heading to the terrible twos. She is also on the go from when she wakes until she goes to sleep, she harder than DS at times!

I would just see how she goes as she gets older, and also you guys have had a really rough time with the quakes so she is probably feeling a bit frazzled by it all too, and that could be coming out in naughty/hypo behaviour.

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Awww hugs, it sounds like super hard work. Have you tried cutting certain foods out of her diet? This site has some really good info about what can cause problems. One of the more common foods is brocolli! Here is the best link, hopefully you can find something usefull on there. Good luck

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Julz - i think if you are that worried about it then you should seek professional advice. You know your own child and it could be (or equally not!) that she does have some behavioural issues. If she does then i would imagine that a professional would be able to give you strategies for dealing with those behaviours in such a way might make her way in the world easier.

My sister in law saw a clinical psychologist for her DD1 and that made a big difference for them. She really liked that for the first time ever someone took her concerns seriously, validated her feelings and helped her deal with some of the issues. Including her own issues about it.

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Oh Julz sorry to hear you had a bad day.
A friend and I were talking the other day about behavioural issues (she is an ECE teacher and worked for Porse) and she also said that often ADHD is diagnosed when in fact the behaviour is often linked to food allergies or intolerances. Maybe ask for a referral as Crafty suggested but in the meantime I would suggest looking at Wriggles website or look at AandCsmum's book as that might help as well.
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I would def look at her diet Julz as although it might be that she could have a behavioural problem that can be affected by the food she eats, just as much as autism can be affected. A friend of a friend whose son is Austistic has changed their diet, gone gluten free etc and has found huge differences in her son. (In no way am I inferring that Amelia is autistic just to clarify lol)

And so you know Nia was a right royal pain in the butt today and spent most of it screaming. I was over it! I let her cry in her room after she woke, she can get out as I converted her cot but she decided to stay crying for half an hour instead lol. She's also on the go all the time but she does have some times where she is very focused like when she's playing with money haha.

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Julz, huge hugs, I imagine that as much as you love her you'd be happy to be rid of her? I remember hating my girl constantly dreading when I had to get her & like you loving to escape to work.

PM me with your email address & I'll find my copy of the most up to date food list & email it to you, you might like to try eliminating some of the fruits/veges to see if they affect her?

Don't worry about nutrients as once you start removing additives & offending foods your body is more able to take up the nutrients out of the foods that are left. I have regular blood tests to make sure it works for me.
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