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    Posted: 18 October 2010 at 12:29pm
Right, I'm positive this is quite normal but any ideas would be muchly appreciated.

I have a almost 13 month old, for the past 3 months nappy changes have become quite a task.

Have tried everything I can think of, TV as a distraction. Special items that he is allowed to hold only during nappy change time. Someone is trying to distract him. I have tried nappy pants. I have tried changing him while he is standing up. I have tried saying "no" or "thats not very nice."

It all pretty much ends the same way. MASSIVE TANTRUMS. On the odd occasion where he has a good nappy change I do praise him afterward, telling him what a good boy he is and give him lots of cuddles.

I usually try to persevere, but when he becomes excessively difficult to deal with (eg my fuse becomes short) I give up and walk away. Sometimes this ends in a tantrum where you can't walk away and leave him (he starts smacking his face on the floor).

I'm contemplating attempting to potty train him over summer, but is 13months to early?

Any other ideas would be appreciated.
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I think all toddlers get to this stage. I find it a mission changing Arianne.

Most of the time she runs away mid change.

Unless he is showing signs of wanting to use the potty e.g. can take his own clothes off, then have a look at potty training.

My daughter is 21 months she knows what the potty is and what to do with it but she still isnt ready to train.
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Hey Tessie,

Sounds like a bit of a nightmare! But, it also sounds like you are doing all the right things - I would suggest distraction first off (which you are obviously trying!), and to walk away when the tantrums get too bad - more attention is just going to reinforce the behaviour as an attention grabber - and there are just times when you need to walk away and take many deep breaths!!

Some ideas I've seen for the tantrum head banging if you need to walk away but don't want him to hurt himself is to put a beanbag (I'd suggest you use one of the easy clean indoor/outdoor ones so if you have not managed to get a nappy on him it won't matter if he pee's on it!!) in the corner and lay him face down on it so he is not head banging on a hard surface. You can also use this as a 'time out' corner so he knows the tantrums are part of 'not ok' behaviour...

As for the nappy changing - do you have a specific changing station? I've found it helps to have everything in one place (I use a change table) to my little one knows it is nappy change time, but also so everything is on hand and it gets done quickly!

Also, maybe he is not comfortable in the type of nappy you are currently using? I've ended up using different brands and sizes at different ages to get a better fit or stop leaks at night... Has he had any nappy rash? Maybe he is associating nappy changes with discomfort from rash; or maybe he doesn't like the wipes, or the barrier cream you are using? Just some ideas - maybe changing it up might help?

I also use re-usable nappies (during the day & disposables at night or when going out) & get my little one to help me load the nappies in the washing machine and hang them up so they are not a yeucky, untouchable thing with a negative connotation to them.

Something else I just thought of is maybe getting him a teddy or doll of some type that he can put a nappy on and change himself? That would help with his dexterity & may also de-mystify what nappy changes are all about?!

As a last resort you could also ask your Plunket nurse or doctor to check if he might be carrying a urinary infection that is causing him discomfort or (if he is not circumcised) maybe he is experiencing some discomfort with his foreskin?

As for potty training, I started at 12 months by just having my little one sit on a potty at every nappy change time and praising when something happened, but not fussing if something didn't! We started getting wees on the floor at every bath time, so it seemed like a good time to introduce a potty in a non-stressful, non-pressurised way! Keep some (plastic & washable!!) 'potty toys' at hand - it can take a while for bub to relax enough for something to happen & inevitably some of the toys will end up in the (used!!) potty!

We've also taught our little one some sign language and from about 16 months started getting the wash/bath sign as an indicator of needing to go to the loo - or that a dirty nappy needed changing!

Signing has been a great way to know what bub wants before they are able to talk and it seems to have eased some of the frustrations of not being able to communicate with us - and it's a fun game to play with little ones! I've also been told it's a great way, when you are out and about or visiting, for kids (even when they are older) to let you know they need to go to the loo without feeling embarrassed!

Lastly I've also read someone saying not to wait until summer to start potty training as the cold can add a little incentive to get the business done quicker!!

Good luck and when that fuse burns down and you want to have a little cry, try remember that nothing lasts forever and this too will pass!!
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Try propping him up when you change him, he might not like lying flat.

Or if you want to be a little tougher, When you lie him down & he starts wriggling (I'd rule out the above first) you could hold him firmly and say in a no nonsense voice, I'm not finished yet. Hold until he stops wriggling. Then proceed with changing, repeat as he keeps wriggling. It can be a stage they are going through & trying to keep in control of the situation.

I went though this with both my son & the child I care for. My son I still need to reinforce this idea that I'm not finished & he needs to wait, but he's also had reflux so If I don't prop him up he is uncomfortable.
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Can't comment on the TT as we haven't gone through that yet but Jude went through the hating nappy changes stage too. Teaching him the signs for "change" and "nappy" really really helped. Also explaining each stage of the nappy change. We ask first if he needs a change first (using the sign language as well as the question), then go through the stages, telling him what we are doing as we go and saying "not finished" and reminding him that we are still changing if he tries to wriggle, then letting him know we are all finished by saying that and using the sign for "finished".

Having a designated changing area helps also - he is sometimes less cooperative if I am trying to change him in the middle of the floor instead of on his change mat - so we have a permanent change station area on the floor in our lounge.

I don't know if he just grew out of the stage or whether what we were doing helped but now he will lie quietly on his change mat on the floor while we go and wet his wipes if we have forgotten to do it beforehand - and he is not a boy who usually stays still!

Failing that - when Jude used to REALLY try to get away and was crying/tantruming etc but he really needed a change. I would sit on my butt in front of him with my feet on top of his upper arms so he couldn't get away - it left both my hands to do the changing as quickly as possible. Got that tip off another OB member.


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After I had him he was changed on our dining table (on a towel) didn't have room here for an actual change table and I had an extremely bad back at the time. Eventually change time was shifted onto the floor on a play mat (the one with the hanging toys) with a sheep skin on top of it. So I know that definately rules out that the floor is possibly to hard for him. Now change time is just done where ever is possible at the time.

No nappy rash. But will try changing to a different product. Gave up on the baby wipes when he was a few days old and went to warm wet cloths as the wipes were causing major burning and irritation.

Will try saying "not finished yet" rather than "no." He usually cries when I say no (him touching stuff he shouldn't) might be that he is associating no with being told off rather than learning that I need him to stay still.

Would it be wrong to introduce stickers that he gets one after a good nappy change? Or best to avoid bribery?

Honestly I'm hoping so badly that this is a phase that he will grow out of and soon.
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Distraction always worked best for me, like if DD was intently playing with a toy or watching tv, I would do it during that as she almost didn't notice!
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yeah 13 months is too young, you should really only start TT when they have awareness, my nearly 2 1/2 year old is only just starting to tell us when he has gone/needs to go.

As for nappy time, I had the same issues with DS, and am now having them with my 14 month old DD. Its a pain lol, but I just try and distract her best i can, though she has just started trying to put her hands down there, and is so not fun when there is poo everywhere!

Fun times being a mumma!

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Singing worked for us. At about 14 months it was if your happy and you know it. DS was soo busy clapping hands, wiggling ears and poking tongues to notice the nappy was being change.

Now at 16mths the singing is no longer working if he's tire, but get a toy in each hand and if I'm quick enough...altho often he is running off with only one side done up!
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I used the hold down and "I'm not finished" plan - it took a week of continued grizzling but she is now excellent.

As for TT - it depends on the child. DD has been telling us she has done a poo since she was 12 months old and as a daily routine we sit on the toilet (refuses the potty) and have had some sucesses. As long as it is not stressful to put them off - then personally TT can start at any time. Up to you.

    
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Ughh, I think nappy change tantrums are one of the most infuriating of all! Especially when it's a poo and you have no option but to change it then and there
We had (or I should say, still have) the same problem, although now at 20months it is probably only 30% of the time as DD 'permits' me to change her sometimes now. It either goes really smoothly or really bad! But for the most part it's improved so hopefully things will get better eventually for you too. I find the tantrums do seem to come in phases, we'll have a week or so of big resistance then next could be a dream.
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If my DS is playing up during nappy change I'll put his favourite baby Einstein show on my iPhone & he'll happily lie there holding it & watching it until I'm done. Otherwise I also have a special song for nappy change time which he recognises. He also "helps" me by holding things for me & passing mr things & then at the end he gets to put the nappy in the bin outside. I think it all helps if he feels involved.
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Glad it is not just me. I have tried all the above and my little toad is still battling with me, she is now 14 months. My mother in law thinks that she will get her potty trained as it is such an ordeal... however we will purserve.

I try to stay really calm and change her standing up with some tv or music to distract her.

Not much help really for you as you you sound like you are doing all the right things.

I must say though this is a pretty long stage... now nearly 6 months...

Keep calm!
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I've officially given up on nappy changes laying down, nothing I do/try to do worksanymore. I change his nappy with him standing (most of the time this is forced) other times I'm left "following" him around and gradually getting the nappy on (luckily the weather is warmer now).
Got him a potty now, he definately knows when he needs to pee and knows when he has done a pee. He grabs his bits just before he goes, and I've watched him grab at the front of his nappy and try to have a look). Mum has talked me into sitting him on the potty with a book each morning (soon as the first nappy comes off) and making a huge fuss if he goes.
Still trying hard not to lose my cool. Have found no actual solution to stop it being such a hard task lol
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Does your baby like to read? Books work with my little guy. But if he does cause a fuss or if he kicks me (which he has started to do) I pick him up calmly and say 'that's not ok' or 'I'm not in the mood to mess about' and put him in to his cot (which is next to the change table) and say 'I'll come back when you're ready for a nappy change.' I go back after about 30 seconds and say 'are you ready to lie still now'? then get him from his cot and if he still kicks - back he goes in the cot and we do it all again! This is what Diane Levy reccomends and it does seem to work at a young age so long as the message is simple. If the cot is far from the change table it might be too confusing. Good luck!

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