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    Posted: 08 June 2010 at 10:40am
Hello,

On Friday I saw a new doctor, and after an examination and going over my history, she has suggested that I may have endometriosis.

I don't know much about the condition, and have just been scaring myself on google this morning.

I just wondered if anyone here has it, how it was diagnosed and if they've managed to successfully have children since ?

I'm having an Ultrasound and HSG next week for something else and am wondering if the HSG may show if I do have endo ? (I don't like the alternative way they find out according to google!)

I'm really nervous because I feel like I've had my lot for the year and the thought of having another problem fertility related really scares me






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I am really sorry to hear that you are feeling scared and can totally understand that right now you have so many emotions going on and don't know what to do.

We started trying coming up six years ago, after three years of tests and appointments we were finally told by FA that they were 99% confident I had endo and they wanted to do surgery in a matter of weeks. I was scared out of my mind to say the least. I had the surgery and was blown away with how that impacted my life and fixed so many things in a positive way. Sadly for us we have had eight babies not hold and are undergoing tests and appointments with the recurrent miscarriage clinic and have just been told that all is looking good and there does not seem to be a problem. However in discussing further it seems my endo is back and am looking at surgery again. But I am feeling excited about it this time around as I know what to expect.

I am sure you had so many questions so please feel free to PM me and if you want could even phone for a chat. I know this road is not easy and I really feel for you. But trust me when I say there is hope and ways forward. oxo
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Princess_Bubs I was diagnosed with endo when I was 16 - I had lap surgery to remove the endo - but then when I was 18 I developed PCOS due to endo being undiagnosed for so long.

DH and I are TTC - but due to chronic pain with menstruation I went on the Depo continuously for 6 years - we are now awaiting test results to see what the damage is all about.

Endo itself is not so bad once you get the right meds and diet - it is the ongoing effects for us.

There is a really good website http://www.nzendo.co.nz/ there is alot of good info o it.

Good luck and head up :)
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Princess_Bubs, endo can only be diagnosed via laparoscopic surgery. It is pretty common and not something to be overally worried about. I was diagnosed with endo last year, my specialist was 95% sure I had it based on my symptoms but the only way they can tell for sure is through the surgery. I had two surgeries, the first to remove the endo in Sept and then the second to check everything was looking good and to put my ovaries back into the right position. The recovery can take a while depending on the extent of the endo but you're back on your feet after a few days.

If you do a search on all threads on these forums you will find heaps of threads about it. Good Luck!

ETA: if you're on Facebook, the NZ Endo foundation have a page Endo

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Yes I have it and have gone on to have children naturally. I actually call my children one night wonders as that is how they happened.

You will have to have a laproscopy to diagnose it and at the same time they will remove it if you ahve it. Simple op as it is done via keyhole surgery so you are up and about within a matter of hours of the surgery (I was both times).

I was a puree feeder, forward facing, cot sleeping, pram pushing kind of Mum... and my kids survived!
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I do, and although I know it's all a bit scary, it's not something to freak out over too much. In my case, I knew I had PCOS - it was only at a fertility appointment that my Dr did an internal and suggested I might have endo too.

Like has been said, a lap is the only real way to diagnose it - I had one, and they removed it while they were in there. The op itself isn't too bad - you need a general, and I was sore enough to need a few days off work, but not a major. The only thing is that it costs, and the wait for public surgery is a bit of a laugh. I had insurance, and they covered it without a second thought. In my case, they also drilled my ovaries while they were in there, due to the PCOS.

As for kids, it does make things harder - but we got pregnant first cycle after the lap (and I've known that to happen to others as well), so it does happen!

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Thank you so much for the responses! I love this website, It's so great to have a place to come too where others understand what you're going through!

Tal - I'm so sorry to hear of the long road you've had TTC. I know the RMC have a really high percentage of successful pregnancies following recurrent m/c, so I look forward to hearing that you are one of the many! (My parents neighbour is one of the guy's who runs it ) :)

nzendo.co.nz was a great site for info and so is the fb page - Huge Thanks!

Roughly how long does the laproscopy take ? Is it painful afterwards ?

Have any of you had an HSG ? My letter from NS Hospital doesn't give much info, It doesn't look I'll be given any kind of medication to distance myself from the sensation which makes me a little . I'm a huge sook when it comes to these things - I really hate pap smears so I'm not sure how brave I'll be when it comes to this







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The length of time of the lap depends on the extent of your endo. Mine was about two and a half hours.

I found the pain afterwards excruciating for about two days (don't want to scare you but better to be honest), but my specialist said that would be mainly because I had big adhesions removed from my bowel. Everyone is different - I have four friends who have all had the same surgery with varying recovery periods and pain, it really depends on what needs to be done once they get in there.

From my understanding an HSG is where they run dye through your tubes is that right? I haven't had that procedure separately as it was all part of the lap surgery.

As Hopes said, try to get it all done privately. The wait for public was up to 6 months, I had mine done privately and the wait was one week!
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Princess - Thanks for your wishes, I trust that we have great success after the second surgery and being under the RMC. Great that many have been able to share some things with you that have really helped. As Little Red said it does vary for people on how long it takes for the surgery, how they recover and so forth. I was told mine should be just over an hour but was over three hours in the end as was the worse endo you can have and also had to do reconstruction on my cervix. I was told when I woke that I would be in for an extra few nights as it was so extensive and would be in pain but the pain was so bearable that I didn't ask for more pain killers as they wore off after surgery and despite coming out of surgery at 8pm went home at 10am the following day and showered on my own and all that, they were blown away to say the least.
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Princess Bubs, sorry to hear of the trouble you are experiencing.

I have had an HSG x-ray done, the purpose is to check for any blockages in the tubes or PCOS if it hasn't been identified through internal ultrasound scanning. It doesn't diagnose endo, as far as I know thats done through laparoscopy as the ladies above have mentioned.

The HSG is not much fun to be honest (sorry I don't want to make your worry worse!) so dose up on panadol and nurofen before hand if you can. Some people say its not so bad though, everyone is different.

If I was you though, I would notify whoever the doctor who organised the HSG and advise him/her that you have had a 2nd opinion and endo could be a possibility. That way you can have a lap with a dye test, and they can do the dye test at the same time while you are unconscious, and kill 2 birds with 1 stone so to speak. Rather than having the HSG now and doing the lap later, may as well do both at one time if you can.

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Thanks for your honesty everyone, I'd much rather know the truth than have a sugar coated version of it!

I'm having the HSG on Tues for a suspected Bicornuate/Septate Uterus (The specialist thinks that is what caused my recent miscarriage). The doctor has only just put in the referal for the lap so now I'll be waiting a while for that also :(

I've only had medical Insurance for a year and pre existing conditions aren't covered. I had declared investigation into period pain previously and so I'm now not covered for anything gynacological until I've been insured for 3 years.
It's very frustrating having to wait on the public system. I think I'll phone the hospital and tell them I have suspected endo before my appointment, it probably won't make a difference but you never know.

Did you ladies feel much better after having the lap ? I've suffered with the symptoms for years so I'm thinking if it makes me feel much better then it's got to be worth it!

We will be waiting until next year to TTC so I'm trying to stay positive and to think of this year as a preparation for baby year and get everything sorted out so I'm ready physically when it happens!






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Originally posted by Princess_Bubs Princess_Bubs wrote:


Did you ladies feel much better after having the lap ? I've suffered with the symptoms for years so I'm thinking if it makes me feel much better then it's got to be worth it!


I have always had painful periods (or rather the week before my period is the worst) but I didn't have a lap due to that, mine was for suspected endo on my bladder as I had ongoing bladder infection type pain. The lap has improved that quite considerably although it took a few months. As for period pain, if anything mine is worse now than it was prior But like anything it can vary from person to person!
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Little Red - Interesting what you say about bladder infection type pain (Not sure if you were getting actual bladder Infection's too?). I have had so many UTI's this year it's unbelievable (Sorry if TMI!) I had 3 while I was pregnant, and have had 2 since. I wonder if it's got anything to do with endo ?

I do everything you're supposed to do to prevent UTI"s yet I still get them






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Hiya, I never had a UTI, only all of the wonderful symptoms! I was having constant tests and there was never any evidence of an infection. I haven't heard that UTIs are linked to endo, I wouldn't have thought so because it is caused by an actual infection of the urinary tract. Sorry to hear you are getting them regularly though, they are horrible!
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I can't really comment on how everything was after the lap, because I never got my period back! I'll be interested to see once the baby is born, but guess by that point any changes could be attributed to the baby as well.

I've never actually had a UTI, so I guess that suggests that at least in my case, the endo didn't contribute to them.

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My experience after surgery was very different to Little Red, I saw huge differences in so many things - periods that were painless and lighter, sex that was wonderful and not discomfort or pain, no headaches, no longer cold all the time, able to sleep better, not sick all the time etc. All that is apparently linked to bad endo and was just amazed how my life changed. Think that is why I am looking forward to surgery again as I have known bliss and want it back. All the best with all that is to come and wishing you all the best.
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I was diagnosed at 19 after having a ruptured cyst and talking to the specialists I had a laparoscopy which confirmed it. Then when we were TTC I got my doctor to refer me reasonably early to a fertility clinic (I think after about 6 or 7 months) because I figured I'd need another lap, we had that a few months later and then 6 months after that we got our BFP

My endo was milder and the surgery was about an hour I can't quite remember and I was uncomfortable for a few days or a week but not too bad really, so fingers crossed for a milder version!!

The pain during my periods was heaps less after the surgery and any other cramps I was getting throughout my cycle disappeared as well.   

Hopes - you might be pleasantly surprised, I just had my first AF back this month and NO pain at all. It was so weird. I'm really hoping things stay that way, but not holding my breath
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I was diagnosed at age 23, I think it was, after a lap to investigate ongoing abdominal pain and also some other stuff going on at the same time. I don't know how much they removed or grades, as I never got a follow up appointment with my specialist for some reason or another. However, I've never had a problem getting pg, although have had recurrent m/c which can also be a result of endo as the lining can be affected.

I can't remember a lot about the surgery, or even how long it took...I was under a general and just remember waking up. I was allowed home the next day (had to stay overnight solely due to living over an hour from the nearest hospital on the offchance anything went wrong) and was sore for about a week. The worst pain was shoulder tip pain from the trapped gas!!! My periods weren't lighter afterwards, but I did have a LOT less pain.
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Thanks so much everyone! I definitely feel a little less freaked out by the whole thing now.

I'm so happy it's improved the quality of your life so much Tal I'm sending lots of sticky baby dust your way! When are you having your next surgery ?

Chelle - What did a ruptured cyst feel like ? I ask because the same doctor I saw last week when examing me said I may have a ruptured cyst (she didn't give me any information or seem concerned so I figured it's nothing major?) She said there was some blood up there which is why she suspected it, but then 4 hours later AF arrived (3 days early) so I'm wondering if that's just what she saw ?

I get so frustrated with Doctor's at times. She also said perhaps I've got an appendicitis (I'm on 3 kinds of antibiotics for 10 days!!). The advice she gave is to just go to hospital if the pain gets really bad. 7 days into the Anitbiotics and I'm still feeling sick and sore but I don't want to go back and feel like I'm complaining.

On a Positive one of my friends had her baby boy via C section on Wednesday and he's perfect and I'm going to visit them in hospital at lunch time







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It was about 14 years ago, but from memory I had a sore tummy all day (can't remember what kind of sore) but I still went out that night as it was a Saturday and there were a bunch of parties to go to - so can't have been too bad at this point - but then I remember it got quite sore and I was getting sharp shooting pains when I tried to sit down. Then I went to the A&E and hospital and I remember moaning and groaning all night - so perhaps that's when it actually ruptured. That does't really help though as I don't remember the kind of pain then, just earlier was the sharp shooting pain.   But maybe they're not all particularly painful?
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