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    Posted: 17 June 2011 at 1:01pm
My husband doesn't understand why I need to read EVERYTHING there is to read about pregnancy, birth, labour, homebirths, water births, pain killers... you get the idea

His logic goes like this "but the midwife and doctors have years of training and experience. How can we possibly make better choices than them for our baby and your labour? The doctor will tell you what to do and if the doctor says you need to be induced then who are we to call them wrong?" etc.

I know that his opinion is wrong but I can't explain to him why it's wrong. He's very logical and he's willing to change his mind if I can explain LOGICALLY why I feel the need to know everything.

Any good logical arguements I can use to explain it to him?

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Wow my husband is the opposite. While he's not soaking up all the info in my books and leaflets he's interested in the whys and hows.

I would liken this to taking your car to the mechanic. You want to know what's wrong and what they're going to do to sort it out, that way you know why they have charged you ridiculous amounts of money.

And isn't it better to be able to make an informed choice rather than just accept what one medical profession has to say? There are many alternatives these days and it's not a one solution for all situation.

I'm an inquisitive person by nature. When at the dentist I like to know exactly what they're about to do so I can prepare myself mentally for it. I guess pregnancy will be the same.

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well by reading the info if a dr says you need to be induced and tells you why then you are more likely to understand why he says and then you can ask more questions.

middlemore wanted to induce me and actually had no other reason to besides my baby was already very close to birth they just wanted to speed up the process, My midwife was delivering someone else and I had my 1yr old son with me, being able to understand things makes it a lot easier to make an informed choice. dr's dont always induce for good reason, I ended up going home and having my baby at the birthing unit with my midwife present in the water as planned only 12hrs later. if I hadnt known what I knew It could have gone a way i didnt want it to go because the doctor said so.
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My DH is very logical too, I'm the opposite.

I would explain that you will have to make choices, i.e. one type of pain relief over another, which will be entirely your choice, so you need to know the pros and cons of each option.

Also most births are normal and you will be largely calling the shots about where you have it and how you have and again its best for everyone that you are making a informed choice that you are comfortable with.

Finally I think the theory is that better informed a mother is and the more comfortable she is with her situation the easier the whole birth processes is.

Does that sound logical enough?
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You could tell him you are pregnant and nothing is logical with a pregnant woman!!?

In all seriousness, I need to know whats going on and I agree that the biggest thing is knowing your options and if you have researched them then you will be able to make a better decision. Let him know that you want to know so that you feel comfortable with whats going on.
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I think the idea that "knowing makes me happy" will get through to him. What worries me is that once I have all this info if I do decide against the advice of a doctor (eg if they want to induce me and I decide to wait it out) husband might disagree (the doctor knows best and all that). I don't want me and husband to be arguing about this when I'm already stressed and hormonal and as big as a beached whale.
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Lol Rhondda, I never really fancied being induced, but at 14 days overdue I was so desperate to get her out of there they could have done anything to me!!!
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Hmm, because Dr's and MW's are humans and therefore, like us, subject to human error.

I think having knowledge is power and this is YOUR body and YOUR baby and at the end of the day in order to make informed decisions, you must be informed.

Also while your husband has a right to his opinion, as this is his child, it is YOUR body and you need to take his opinions into consideration but ultimately it is your decision.

I will happily discuss with him how the DR was WRONG to induce me and the knock on affect that had on my labour and birth and long lasting affects on my body if wants to know real stories.

I will say this, pick one book and stick to it. Dont go reading heaps of different ones as they advice will vary and get very confusing. Pick current editions, things printed in the last couple of years and enrol in Antenatal classes that have a good reputation. That way you wont end up all confused as to which is the "right' way (there is no right btw)


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Try telling him doctors work on the law of averages - they have a *recipe* to follow that actually individuals don't always stick to. Every woman you meet will have a different birth story and have different experiences and approaches even to the same event. So a doctor cannot possibly make a *best* recommendation that will suit every one. You need to know what you like and don't like so that you can make informed decisions that best suit you.

Also, I hate to say it, but OBs definitely have a tendency to do what suits them, not what necessarily suits you. Sitting on their hands and waiting is not something they are good at.
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Originally posted by mummyofprinces mummyofprinces wrote:

I think having knowledge is power and this is YOUR body and YOUR baby and at the end of the day in order to make informed decisions, you must be informed.


I like that.

Im only reiterating what other people have said, but firstly, there are lots of decisions to be made where theres no 'right' choice. For example, drugs like pethadine are an option, but it's not right / not right to use them, it's up to you and all about the kind of labour you want. Knowing how they work and why you might / might not want them matters. And birthing centres, homes and hospitals are all good places to have babies. Where you choose depends very much on where you'll feel comfortable - you'll have the best birth if you feel as comfortable and at ease as possible - and where you feel most comfortable will be influenced by what you learn about each place. Two different midwives may take approaches that are poles apart, and both are totally within the realms of normal and right - who you pick will depend on what you want.

Also, why the heck would you want not to know?? I mean, if I was having an operation, even if there was nothing I could do to change what they did, and it was all going ahead anyway, Id still want to know what the surgeons would be doing for my own peave of mind. Having a baby is nothing like an operation - it's a natural process, afterall - but the same pricipal applies to me. I want to know what could happen so I'm not confused and scared at the time.

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A lot of the time a midwife or doctor won't tell you what to do... they will give you options and ask which way you want to go...

Ie - types of pain relief in labour... do you want to immunise... do you want Vit K... etc etc

Even if you ask them what they would do, or what they suggest, a lot of times they won't say as it would make them liable if something goes wrong...

Another example would be in labour... do you have a hot shower, pethadine, epidural, walk around, lie down, sit on swiss ball, lower back massage.... all options... all valid... the doctor/midwife could suggest, but it all depends on what works for you which you have to figure out yourself... you need to know what's available to make an informed decision...
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Wow, thanks so much for the great responses. I might get him to just read all your replies and see if that convinces him. I'm sure it will.

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If it makes you feel better, more relaxed and less stressed by being informed then that's good for you.

Also this is what OB is for, finding out all that you need to know then when you are faced with a situation you can be confident that you are making the best decision and what your Dr / MW is telling you doesn't come as a surprise.

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Personally I haven't read that much - just 1 book, accounts of others experiences and attended my ante-natal classes but I've found this level of information to be super helpful because quite often doctors/mid wives etc seem quite rushed and talk about things with an assumption you understand the terminology, by having some of my own knowledge I can better understand what they are talking about and that helps me feel empowered because I can ask better questions. I think if you don't have a good idea of what's going on you could be 'walked over' or your views/opinion disregarded - not out of malice but just because they would know more than you.

On the flip side I do think caution is required about reading up too much - I think you can freak yourself out about all the things that could go wrong or convince yourself you have conditions that really you dont.
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My first DH was into all the books. After baby was born with some minor complications he actually said he wished he hadn't have. Because he was too informed. Not only did he know all the stuff that might happen, he knew all the negative stuff too and he stressed more about it.

I have to say that this time I am the one doing all the reading but mostly it is because I am 37 and there is more risk, this is my last chance for a girl so I am stressing about that, and nine months is such a bloody long time. It keeps my mind occupied lol.
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Yup definitely can be too informed, that why I think its good to just stick to one book and good antenatal classes...


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My husband wasn't into reading about the process but was more then happy for me to do so because he understood it was important to me to have an understanding of what was happening with my body and our baby and what may or may not happen on the day. He was open to me telling him about the information I had found.

Perhaps if you can make an argument based on how he would react to something happening within his body and if he would simply accept what one dr or medical professional told him just because that is the way they do it?

Medical staff are prone to behaving in a certain way based on their experiences. Whilst their knowledge gives them great value there is the flip side of the coin where they act as though they have seen it all and know the way to behave. The best example of this I can give is that for my five previous pregnancies I had the same OB and I chose him because of his experience and his reputation for not doing unnecessary procedures and I have a great level of trust in him. However, the midwife I had at my first labor I hated at first because she treated me like an 'annoying over reacting mother' until she realised I was fully dilated and then her attitude changed (she had seen it all... that is until she saw me)

Every body is different and every pregnancy/labor is different. You are not an average of all women you are an individual.

I found reading up gave me a sense of being prepared and allowed me to be more comfortable with what happened. It wasn't so I could go against what my health care provider said as such. The research shows that the birth experience is often better if you are more relaxed then if you are tense and uncertain. That would be my number one argument, that you aren't reading up so that you can argue with health providers but so that you are more prepared, relaxed and have a better overall experience for you and your baby. Surely that is all he would want for you and he would have to be more accepting.
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He is aware that as Mummyofprinces said they ARE only human right? and subject to human error,just like the rest of us,except when you are putting all your faith in them,that error can count for a lot.
Bottom line,they could have had a hundred patients,they haven't had YOU .
You have lived with your body all your life and you will know what you are more comfortable with so he needs to listen to your opinion as well as theirs,and while he has every right to ask questions,his main role is to support you and let you feel like he is on your side.





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lol we are the oposite ... hubby has read up in depth on labour where as I have read the basics and then what we have leart at antenatal class.

Everyone is different and it is sometimes hard for the other half to understand how you are thinking and vice versa (I am a stresser, hubby so laid back surprised he manages to stay upright!). Maybe you need to agree to disagree ... he needs to understand that you want as much information on board as possible but you also need to understand that he doesn't.

Example: For me I am so scared of labour that I panic when I read about it and then worry about nothing but. I come up with all these things that could go wrong, so for me a little knowledge is best. Where as for hubby the more he knows the more relaxed and in control he feels about it all (see oposite of you ). I let him go ahead and read whatever he wants ... but he's not allowed to tell me. Maybe your hubby is a bit scared like me? Boys never tell you these things unless you drag it out of them with them kicking and screaming, but like me there may be a reason he doesn't want to know!
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Funny I was having this same conversation with my friend at lunch today.

You get such a huge number of choices to make and while health professionals are required to gain informed consent only you can decide if you feel fully informed. When asked for their opinion or recommendation it does pay to remember they still have their own biases and experiences.

I would say read as much as you feel you need to but make sure what you are reading comes from reliable sources!!

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