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Hi

I'm a PhD student from the University of Canterbury. I'm interested in conducting research looking at the impact of micronutrient supplements on symptoms of depression and anxiety during pregnancy and the postnatal period. Micronutrients are a combination of essential vitamins and minerals.

For my study, I aim to compare two different micronutrient supplements, one with a lower dose of vitamins and minerals that can be obtained in the pharmacy and one with a higher dose and wider range of vitamins and minerals. Each supplement will contain the recommended dosages for folic acid, iodine and iron that is recommended during pregnancy.

In order to get an understanding of whether or not this study would be feasible, I would like to find out how many expecting mothers would be willing to take a micronutrient supplement during their second trimester through to 4 weeks after birth to see if this helps alleviate low mood and anxiety during and after pregnancy. Please post whether or not this would be something you would be interested in doing. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts :)

Thanks so much

Hayley ]]> Fri, 24 Jun 2016 16:18:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45124&PID=5899055&title=nutrients-and-postnatal-depression#5899055 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45063&PID=5897669&title=postnatal-depression-facebook-support-group#5897669 Author: shazzabanazza
Subject: Postnatal Depression Facebook support group
Posted: 08 May 2016 at 2:21pm

Hi peoples

I am a Community Support Worker in mental health and have had postnatal depression also. I have started a support group on FB. If you wish to join the link is:

Postnatal Depression Support NZ

Edited by shazzabanazza - 08 May 2016 at 2:24pm]]> Sun, 08 May 2016 14:21:52 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=45063&PID=5897669&title=postnatal-depression-facebook-support-group#5897669 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34805&PID=5897223&title=cant-sleep-zopiclone-sleeping-tablets#5897223 Author: Ebba206472
Subject: can’t sleep (zopiclone sleeping tablets
Posted: 19 April 2016 at 11:47pm

Hi there,
I have been taking Zolpidem for occasional insomnia for over one year now buying them from the site above. It worked great in treating my insomnia and I loved it at first because I was finally able to get a good night's sleep and wake up feeling refreshed. When I take this medicine I fall asleep within 15 or so minutes and am able to sleep 7 or 8 hours. I love it !!]]> Tue, 19 Apr 2016 23:47:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34805&PID=5897223&title=cant-sleep-zopiclone-sleeping-tablets#5897223 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10956&PID=5885946&title=citalopram#5885946 Author: Amanda189221
Subject: Citalopram
Posted: 01 July 2015 at 9:30pm

So far so good. I was previously on this medication about 3 years ago, can't remember suffering any major side effects, but remember being generally happy with the results. I used the Citalopram successfully at a very small dose - 10 mg a day. The depression lifted within a few weeks and I felt much better. It was very effective for the depression and I think it literally saved me at that point in my life. Of course, everyone will react differently to different medications in the SSRI class (as it alters the serotonin levels in your brain), but generally, Citalopram is held to be one of the more ‘stable’ options available, and the one that works best for most people.
P.S. I bought the pills from a reliable online pharmacy http://generic-meds-store.com because I find their prices being cheaper in comparison with other pharmacies. No complaints ]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2015 21:30:57 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=10956&PID=5885946&title=citalopram#5885946 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29268&PID=5885899&title=fluox#5885899 Author: Mercy189171
Subject: Fluox...
Posted: 01 July 2015 at 1:40am

I've been on 20mg Fluox (Fluoxetine) for 6 months and it is working wonderfully for me, my expecatations were low prior to taking them but they have really lifted up my mood in general, I can handle situations much better, I think especialy since I've been conditionioning myself throughout this year when it comes to social situations. Side effects for me were big libido reduction and waking up sweating every morning no matter what. Totally worth it in my opinion. I ordered my pills on http://generic-meds-store.com..is very convenient to do business with them. I like the way they treat me as their customer and of course, I do order here because of best quality products they have.
Wish you good luck, stay strong]]> Wed, 01 Jul 2015 01:40:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29268&PID=5885899&title=fluox#5885899 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34805&PID=5885042&title=cant-sleep-zopiclone-sleeping-tablets#5885042 Author: Emmy187685
Subject: can’t sleep (zopiclone sleeping tablets
Posted: 17 June 2015 at 8:51pm

I've been taking zopiclone 7.5mg sporadically for a few years now. I do order my pills here because of high-quality products they have: http://www.generic-meds-store.com/ I find they work fine but I usually don't take them every night, only when I feel the need. I normally try to get off to sleep naturally and if that's not working I take a pill (7.5mg) per night. But sometimes I wake at 3 or 4 and can't get back to sleep in which case I just take half a tablet and fell asleep instantly. They give me no side effects except terrible taste in my mouth.
Good luck all X]]> Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:51:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=34805&PID=5885042&title=cant-sleep-zopiclone-sleeping-tablets#5885042 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5882540&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5882540 Author: Micaela147754
Subject: Medication while pregnant/ breast feeding
Posted: 16 April 2015 at 2:11am

Sorry to hear that you are suffering.
Excuse me if what I am suggesting is not new to you but maybe it's still worth trying. I also suffer from depression occasionally and what really helps me is physical exercise. Whatever you like, even walking ( a lot! ) helps.

It distracts you from negative thoughts at least for the time you do the exercise, and then it makes you exhausted and you sleep well which is another relief..]]> Thu, 16 Apr 2015 02:11:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5882540&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5882540 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5882369&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5882369 Author: Mummyinc
Subject: Medication while pregnant/ breast feeding
Posted: 11 April 2015 at 11:10pm

Hi there, I have been breastfeeding and on Citolopram for 6months, you can absolutely breastfeed while taking anti depressents/ anti anxiety medication. I would see a nautropath re some things that maybe better during pregnancy, but of course if your really struggling now then see a Dr, and if they say you cant breastfeed seek a 2nd opinion, the first Dr i saw said id have to wean the second dr i saw ( the very next day) said there where multiple breastfeeding friendly antidepressants. There is a very good article on the kellyom website that i cant seem to find right now but maybe do some googling to try find it
]]> Sat, 11 Apr 2015 23:10:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5882369&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5882369 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5879647&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5879647 Author: caitlinashleigh
Subject: Medication while pregnant/ breast feeding
Posted: 08 February 2015 at 2:28pm

Hi there!
I am suffering from terrible anxiety and depression, I am 32 weeks and trying so hard not to go on medication while pregnant. Am wondering if anyone has any suggestions on ways I could help myself through this time?

I have come to the conclusion that I will probably have to go on meds after baby is born, so am coming to the realization that I may not be able to breast feed during this time. What are your experiences with meds and pregnancy/ breast feeding?

Muchly appreciated :)]]> Sun, 08 Feb 2015 14:28:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44517&PID=5879647&title=medication-while-pregnant-breast-feeding#5879647 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5879617&title=major-postnatal-depression#5879617 Author: Rammie
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 07 February 2015 at 11:37am

Hi Shane173176.

So sorry to hear about your postnatal depression. I know it is hard. Please go to your doctor and get some help before it gets bad. I can assure you that it will get better if you seek help. You will be back to normal. So good luck. Will be thinking about you and I will pray for you. Take care.]]> Sat, 07 Feb 2015 11:37:31 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5879617&title=major-postnatal-depression#5879617 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5879581&title=major-postnatal-depression#5879581 Author: Shane173176
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 06 February 2015 at 12:31am

Hey, dear really thanks for sharing this, I am presently going through postnatal depression and sometimes it becomes, so unbearable that I don't understand what to do but hoping this tips will definitely help me out.]]> Fri, 06 Feb 2015 00:31:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5879581&title=major-postnatal-depression#5879581 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44504&PID=5879348&title=what-midwife-gp-would-you-recommend#5879348 Author: mothershelpers
Subject: What midwife/GP would you recommend?
Posted: 01 February 2015 at 12:22pm

Hi I was wondering what midwife or GP you would recommend in your area for having dealt with your PND well?

Mothers Helpers is wanting to create a list of midwives and GP's recommended by mums who have experienced PND where those GP's/midwives have picked it up quickly, helped you and supported you, listened to you, referred you to more help etc. Please name them and what area they're in and we'll add them to our directory of recommendations - thanks! ]]> Sun, 01 Feb 2015 12:22:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44504&PID=5879348&title=what-midwife-gp-would-you-recommend#5879348 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41867&PID=5876505&title=coming-off-medication#5876505 Author: ProudMum165448
Subject: Coming off medication
Posted: 25 November 2014 at 5:04pm

I have been on Loxamine since 2008/2009 for PND, I was so hesitant to start taking it but my doctor said to give it a go do I did.
Over the last 3 years I have slowly reduced from a tablet a day to 1/2 one day and 1 the next and then to half a day, with no real withdrawals or side effects at all and have remained mainly happy.
Just recently I have been reading up on weaning off and withdrawals etc and have reduced to 1/2 a tablet every second day, I have started having the typical side effects and withdrawals on the non tablet day and then they ease on the day I take 1/2, I get fuzziness, nausea, short temper, up and down moods and I have been worrying more than normal that when I come off completely I will relapse....I am concerned mostly about this because I am now with an amazing partner who supports me 100% and is by my side to get me through this, but I am getting more and more concerned that I could fall apart again at some point and it will effect our relationship. I wonder if it's just the withdrawals and hoping it's just temporary....I am off to see doctor tomorrow so hopefully I will feel better after telling her how I have been feeling and maybe get to the bottom of it!!
All round I am happy with life, I just hope that coming off will make life better as I will no longer have to reply on such an addictive medication!! I'm determined and hope that others can benefit from reading peoples stories like I have :-)]]> Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:04:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41867&PID=5876505&title=coming-off-medication#5876505 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37948&PID=5875792&title=pnd-support#5875792 Author: mothershelpers.co.nz
Subject: PND Support
Posted: 04 November 2014 at 11:40pm

There is help available nationwide for Postnatal Depression:

www.mothershelpers.co.nz]]> Tue, 04 Nov 2014 23:40:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37948&PID=5875792&title=pnd-support#5875792 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5873295&title=major-postnatal-depression#5873295 Author: Rammie
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 22 August 2014 at 4:05pm

Thank you Emma for sharing. I too had postnatal depression when I had my eldest son quite a few years ago. I was suffering so much that I went to the doctor for help. At that time we did not have the support we have now. Now no one need to dread this post natal depression because of the support we have.]]> Fri, 22 Aug 2014 16:05:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5873295&title=major-postnatal-depression#5873295 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5871124&title=major-postnatal-depression#5871124 Author: Seababy
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 10 July 2014 at 5:06pm

Thanks Emma for sharing your story. I want to reply, to perhaps provide you with some hope and also to share my story with any others out there who may be feeling a similar way.

I was one of those people who didn’t listen too much to the ‘post natal depression’ talk at ante-natal classes. I loved life, was an optimist and a high achiever – ‘that only happens to sad, depressed people’. As I found out, not the case. When my daughter was 7 weeks I started having trouble sleeping. A few weeks later I started having panic attacks and felt anxious for no reason much of the time. I felt I was losing it and was terrified of being left alone with my daughter as I felt unable to care for her. I also felt numb towards her and didn’t feel any love.

Soon after I came to the realisation that I had post natal depression and so saw my GP who then referred me to maternal mental health. I was determined to do things the natural way and so I visited a naturopath and acupuncturist where I started treatment and a herbal supplement regime. A week later I spiralled further and so hesitantly started medication. I also started seeing a psychologist. Within a few weeks I was feeling my old self again. I have been feeling great for 3 months now and intend coming off my medication in another 3 months’ time. In the meantime I have continued with the herbs and acupuncture which I have found deeply relaxing. I hope to try for another baby next year.

My support worker told me that she loved working in maternal mental health because ‘everyone got better’ and she enjoyed watching the positive outcomes. Whilst I was in the midst of all this, I truly believed that I’d never feel better again and this was the way things were going to be now. For those experiencing similar suffering, it doesn’t have to be this way. Things WILL get better, and receiving help will accelerate that process. I can look back now and say I am grateful I went through this experience – I like to think it has made me a better person. You are not alone, it’s just that many people put a brave face on the exterior. You can be well again.
Emma I'm here for you too if you need someone to talk to. Thanks again for sharing.
xx
]]> Thu, 10 Jul 2014 17:06:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5871124&title=major-postnatal-depression#5871124 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5870751&title=major-postnatal-depression#5870751 Author: karinataylor147899
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 05 July 2014 at 9:11pm

that was very touching. and i know how you feel. absoulutly amazing words.
]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2014 21:11:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5870751&title=major-postnatal-depression#5870751 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5870750&title=major-postnatal-depression#5870750 Author: emmawatty139208
Subject: major postnatal depression
Posted: 05 July 2014 at 8:54pm

Hey all mummas,
Im writing this blog for all the mums out there that are finding it hard to cope,that there is real people outh there that feel just like you do and there is help! If you are just going to frown on me and make stupid comments please dont read on.

I am sitting here tonight wondering if im ever gonna feel normal agen and if i will ever stop taking medication...
I thought i was the only one who felt this way...i got diagnosed with major post natal depression 6 months ago,i admitted myself into hospital as i was having panick attacks,couldnt sleep or eat,i lost 10 kgs in 2 weeks and the thought of eating made me cringe,i thought my partner and son hated me and i couldnt love my son.
I was in ward 21 for 6 weeks and during that time i just wanted to die...i was put on alot of medication morning,lunch and night

morning -150 mgs of venlafaxin
1mg of lorazepam
lunchtime -75 mgs venlafaxin
night 1mg lorazepam
200 mgs- quitiepen
45 mgs of mirtazipene
7.5 mgs of zoplicone

I have slowly cut myself down on my lunch and night meds but it is very hard to not think i dont need them because some days now i feel so bad like i was when i was admitted,i lash out,cant bebothered with my son,have no energy,i can have a full 8 hours sleep and just feel like ive never slept,how is this even possible?
like many people...i use to think "how can she be depressed,just snap out of it" yea right those are just words...i have had "friends" tell me to snap out of it,people laugh and judge me and at times i feel embarrassed but i have just accepted this is how it is and i cant just take this black shadow away.

It all started after i had my son,30 hrs in labor...I looked at my son like he was a creature,i just thought that was normal to feel that way but as weeks passed by all i wanted to dO was stay in bed..but after a while i stopped sleeping,my body was in major shock and everytime id try go to sleep i would end up bursting into tears,i was terrified i was going to loose it,i couldnt cope with myself and i couldnt look after my son,i got family help and i admitted myself into the ward after a doctors visit telling him i just wanted to be shot..this is just exactly how it felt,i was numb..after the 6 weeks in hospital i still didnt feel right but i just sucked it up and knew noone could help me but myself,so i started my own business from home,beauty therapy as i studied when i was pregnant..this has helped me alot,its given me a reason to want to start my day,my passion & dream as i have a strong empathy to make other people feel happy.

I hope it helps you to know i am in a very simlilar boat to you,all though i dont have 3,4,5,6 children i am blessed with a beautiful content little man and its me who has the problem.

If you ever need someone to talk to i am always here,i struggle to tell ANYONE how i feel coz id rather paint a pretty picture than look or feel depressed.

Emma xx]]> Sat, 05 Jul 2014 20:54:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=44178&PID=5870750&title=major-postnatal-depression#5870750 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5859512&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5859512 Author: ClareKinsell131467
Subject: Post Natal Mood and Exercise
Posted: 23 January 2014 at 2:36pm

Hi thanks for you message.. no I'm still recruiting actually- up to the end of Feb. Results will come through from March onwards, and will publish results in June. Will post a summary here when I'm all done.

Ive actually opened up the pool to participants with any number of children, so if you (or anyone else) is keen to be involved - we'd love to have you on board.

The link to the website where you can join the program is below. Just click the Next button at the bottom of the page to take you through.

Feel free to get in touch via email at ce.kinsella@gmail.com   

https://qasiasingleuser.asia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_5na84cFdkLhtAZ7

Clare]]> Thu, 23 Jan 2014 14:36:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5859512&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5859512 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5859502&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5859502 Author: Tracy136649
Subject: Post Natal Mood and Exercise
Posted: 23 January 2014 at 1:06pm

Have you finished the study and have results?
]]> Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:06:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5859502&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5859502 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43559&PID=5856905&title=postnatal-depression#5856905 Author: escadachic
Subject: POSTNATAL DEPRESSION
Posted: 21 December 2013 at 1:27pm

I just wanted to say, if any of you are suffering from PND and don't feel comfortable posting about it publicly, you are welcome to P.M me through my profile on here.

I understand PND way more then I'd like to. Being someone who has had extremely severe PND and still suffers months later.]]> Sat, 21 Dec 2013 13:27:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43559&PID=5856905&title=postnatal-depression#5856905 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5853357&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5853357 Author: ClareKinsell131467
Subject: Post Natal Mood and Exercise
Posted: 06 November 2013 at 4:20pm

Thanks for your message! Finding it hard to get participants, so heres hoping for the next month or so. Yes it will be an interesting study - Im really looking forward to getting into it. Thanks, Clare. ]]> Wed, 06 Nov 2013 16:20:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5853357&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5853357 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43684&PID=5852647&title=online-support-group-for-pnd#5852647 Author: Postnatal Illness NZ
Subject: Online support group for PND
Posted: 01 November 2013 at 9:15pm

Hi everyone,

Just signposting to a new online mutual support group for current or past sufferers of PND. You can view and post as a guest, or register if you like (and use an alias). It is entirely dedicated to PND and I think it will be a really useful source of support to many. I really hope to welcome you there soon.

www.pni.org.nz

Take care,

Kia x

www.pni.org.nz ]]> Fri, 01 Nov 2013 21:15:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43684&PID=5852647&title=online-support-group-for-pnd#5852647 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5852457&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5852457 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 31 October 2013 at 2:00pm

I think you should not attend, as you don't want any reason to make you feel worse.

Yeah it would be ideal if your husband chose not to continue being friends. But men see the world differently to us.

No, your thinking isn't distorted at all.]]> Thu, 31 Oct 2013 14:00:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5852457&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5852457 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5851819&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5851819 Author: kaprice
Subject: Post Natal Mood and Exercise
Posted: 24 October 2013 at 11:13am

I would have loved to participate, but this is my third baby, so that seems to rule me out. All the best for your research though! PND is such an important area to understand more about, and to support women who are struggling with it.]]> Thu, 24 Oct 2013 11:13:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5851819&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5851819 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5851585&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5851585 Author: MalibuBarbie
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 21 October 2013 at 5:52pm

Hi everyone. I haven't been on here for quite some time. I really thought I was finally happy. It turns out I still seem to get so worked up over the smallest things. My husband and I got invited to a wedding. He's in the bridal party, I am not. That is not the problem. It's for a couple who I feel have never really liked me. Some things have happened in the past which sort of destroyed my friendship with them. My husband doesn't like what they have done to me but befriends them anyway. I feel like they only invited me because I am the wife of their friend. I feel a duty to go because my dh is going but I really don't want to as I feel like I will be isolated and made to feel ugly as usual. I feel like I shouldn't have to be put through that. I also can't understand why dh would be friends with people who treat his wife so badly. This has started off ww3 at home. Things just keep going round and round in my head. It has really stressed me out to the point where I can't stop thinking about it! Please help me to put things in perspective. What can/ should I do? Is my way of thinking distorted or what?]]> Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:52:01 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5851585&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5851585 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5851558&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5851558 Author: ClareKinsell131467
Subject: Post Natal Mood and Exercise
Posted: 21 October 2013 at 1:36pm

Does light exercise have an effect on postnatal mood?

Im doing my Masters thesis (Massey University Auckland) on this topic and am looking for NZ women who have had their fist baby within the last 3 to 18 months to be involved in my research.

I will be giving you a 12 week plan where you will either walk (with or without your baby, its up to you) or follow a stretching regime, 3 times a week on whatever days suit you.

It would be fantastic to have as many women as possible involved. I think its a really worthwhile piece of research.

Everyone who takes part will receive a $20 supermarket voucher in appreciation... I will also provide you with a summary of the results at the end of the study.

You can begin today - Please go to the Massey research website and follow the links...

psych-research.massey.ac.nz.

Thank you ! ]]> Mon, 21 Oct 2013 13:36:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43653&PID=5851558&title=post-natal-mood-and-exercise#5851558 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43605&PID=5849666&title=daddy-in-control-pretty-sure-its-ppd-hopeless#5849666 Author: Candkids
Subject: Daddy in control / pretty sure it's PPD / hopeless
Posted: 27 September 2013 at 7:42pm

Oh wow hun big hugs to you !

PND can strike at any time , with my second it was at around the 6mth mark.

I think the first step of getting over the hump is wanting to do something about it, but for you to get over it and get the help you need your partner really needs to stop being selfish himself and acknowledge and accept how your are feeling , that's your son too not just his and he needs to accept that you are a mother and being a mum and working is so hard especialy having to leave your son when he is still so little,

well done on taking the first step and making an appointment with your GP, I think they may suggest some form of councelling which may help getting your feelings across to your partner, in some ways he probably is in a way thinking this is his second chance as a dad and could be trying to make up for last time in some way? by being the full on hands on dad which is good but bad at the same time if it is taking away something from you, I would try and emphasise that he is with him all day and that's his time so your time is your time and so he shouldn't interfear if a nappy change is taking to long etc

a baby is a huge huge change to a relationship can take lots of adjusting I know my partner felt like the baby had taken over and there wasn't any time for "us " anymore

huge hugs and good luck xo]]> Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:42:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43605&PID=5849666&title=daddy-in-control-pretty-sure-its-ppd-hopeless#5849666 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43605&PID=5849658&title=daddy-in-control-pretty-sure-its-ppd-hopeless#5849658 Author: Nicky25
Subject: Daddy in control / pretty sure it's PPD / hopeless
Posted: 27 September 2013 at 5:15pm

I am a young Mum. I fell pregnant really unexpectedly and at a huge point of transition in my life - I'd just graduated from University.
My partner is quite a bit older than me, he had a son previously who sadly passed away about 4 years ago.
He was so happy when we found out about baby, and I felt that it was the best thing I could do for him cos he 'deserved' another shot. He was a single Dad previously so it made me think that this time would be easier being the two of us.

Now I am working again, I have a really demanding job, which meant I had to return to work when my baby was 5 weeks old. He is now 8 weeks old.
I have some comfort in knowing that he is at home with his father and they are literally 2 minutes drive away. Except it doesn't really comfort me. It doesn't please me either. It doesn't seem to bother me either way.

For me being a work is easy. I don't have to think about them or myself at all. I just work solidly from 8:30am in the morning til 6:00pm at night. No breaks, just work. Going home is hard. I feel like I put on a fake persona when I'm with baby and daddy. I eat, bath baby, feed him and he's off to bed. I'm not far behind him these days, I'm exhausted. My partner and I hardly talk - we do the basics, 'how is he' 'how was your day'. We seem to both put our son in between us so we don't have to talk. We just focus talk elsewhere.

These days baby responds more to Dad - I knew this would be the case cos he's with him all the time and only with me for a few hours a day. It just adds to the feeling of disconnect I have with my baby. It builds up the wall between us ever higher.

Today I took the day off - my first in 2 weeks. My partner pretty much tells me what to do and when to do it. For instance, I was taking my time, trying to get my baby to smile while changing his nappy and he took over cos I was being too slow. I know he has developed the routines with the baby and spends all day with him but this behaviour makes me feel so unwanted and un-needed. When I try an express my feelings to him he tells me I am 'being selfish' that its not about me it's about our son.

So I guess it just adds to my disconnect, now I feel like I'm trying to maintain the disconnected feeling - just to make it easier. I don't react to his crying anymore. I try and leave in the morning before he is properly awake so I don't have to deal with him. I feel these days like I have to ask his permission before I do anything with my son.
My partner and I feel so separate now, but he doesn't seem to notice or maybe he doesn't really mind. He has another son. I worry that maybe he is trying to recreate what he had before?

My partner keeps talking about the next baby, I don't even want to entertain the thought of another baby. To me getting pregnant again will feel like a service to my partner. "A job" that needs doing instead of the joy that it should be. I also don't want to do all of this / feel all of this all over again.

I've never felt this way, I get so angry with myself but I just can't shake it so I just go into 'standby mode' it's like I'm here but not really. I thought PPD occurred soon after birth, but I've read some threads that indicate it can strike pretty much any time. I just booked an appointment to see my GP next week - I hope he can help or refer me somewhere else before I manage to completely destroy my relationship with my partner and my son.

How do you get over this hump? Can you learn to just turn off this new found side of yourself?
I hope there is hope.


]]> Fri, 27 Sep 2013 17:15:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43605&PID=5849658&title=daddy-in-control-pretty-sure-its-ppd-hopeless#5849658 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43559&PID=5847913&title=postnatal-depression#5847913 Author: escadachic
Subject: POSTNATAL DEPRESSION
Posted: 07 September 2013 at 2:39pm

I personally experienced antenatal depression with #1, which is depression while pregnant, brought on by pregnancy. PND with #2, which I suffered from for about 18 months. And I attended a few PND support groups during that time, which were good support.

With #3(my latest baby) I had antenatal depression, severe PND and possibly PTSD.

I though my PND with #2 was severe, but in comparison with #3, not where near as severe. As with #2, though I was depressed, I could still function. I just felt really low for ages, but yeah, this time round has been worse.

It pretty much started straight after having baby #3. I've only had 2 days in the last 5 wks where I have felt ok. I got so bad with my PND that I was in constant panic, could not sleep, had no appetite, was throwing up a lot, due to lack of sleep and stomach feeling disturbed, which came from lack of sleep and stress and anxiety. Then had issues breastfeeding due to all that and gradually just lost confidence as a Mum and didn't want to do anything for my baby.

As I was getting worse I was telling the appropriate mental health agencies, but they just weren't taking me seriously and giving me the help or support I needed. The day before I got to my worse, the lady from Community Mental Health and Maternal Mental Health came over for a chat an assessment and despite me telling them I felt fear for my safety and that I wasn't coping and I was feeling panicked all the time and starting to feel quite suicidal, they wouldn't offer me any immediate help. I told them I felt I needed to be hospitalized and they said no, that won't help, just keep on chipping at it(whatever that meant) and they weren't willing to take that action. I kept being told, I was as low as I'd get, so things would only improve. But that was wrong. I had been a mess for weeks and by the next day I had been unable to sleep properly and went to sleep feeling panicked and woke up panicked and was in a panicked state all day. I felt extremely suicidal all day and I only managed to hold on long enough for DF to get up and get older daughter from school and arrange for her granddad to come get her. I then called an ambulance and they came and said just go to the GP and I said "look, I just can't actually leave the house". I had been unable to leave the house for days and barely able to function.

So ambulance took me to A & E and later that night I was committed to the open ward of the psych unit. And I spent 7 days there and 2 days at respite while they got me on the right meds and organized a review with support agencies for when I got sent home.

All this totally took me by surprise. As I expected because I'd had PND before I might avoid it this time or because I'd had antenatal depression, I'd avoid PND. But I was wrong. And I also thought, I'd had severe PND with #2, so I couldn't have anything worse then that, but I do.

If you are suffering too, do seek help asap and get support and be persistent and here's hoping you don't end up as bad as I got. But if you do get that bad, that you feel you want to harm yourself or end it all and no-one is taking you seriously, do call an ambulance and get yourself in a safe place, if the appropriate agencies won't offer you that help. As being hospitalized isn't a bad thing. It's an opportunity to get yourself in a more stable place and get the medication right, so you can be the best Mum you can be.]]> Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:39:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43559&PID=5847913&title=postnatal-depression#5847913 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5847912&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5847912 Author: escadachic
Subject: PND Support on FB
Posted: 07 September 2013 at 2:18pm

Anyone suffering PND/AND/PTSD/PNP is welcome to join my group on FB. You just need to add me as a friend(private message me for the details) as the group is secret. So that way we maintain complete privacy when posting.]]> Sat, 07 Sep 2013 14:18:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5847912&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5847912 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41985&PID=5832843&title=pnd-2nd-time-round#5832843 Author: escadachic
Subject: PND 2nd time round
Posted: 18 April 2013 at 5:25pm

For me I have prenatal depression(depression while pregnant) with #1 and then severe PND with #2. I must admit, I do worry about whether it will happen again this time.

I am pretty sure I have prenatal depression at the moment.]]> Thu, 18 Apr 2013 17:25:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41985&PID=5832843&title=pnd-2nd-time-round#5832843 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41985&PID=5831743&title=pnd-2nd-time-round#5831743 Author: Free2BeMe
Subject: PND 2nd time round
Posted: 07 April 2013 at 6:07pm

I've had PND 3 times now, after each child, no more babies for me! The first time was undiagnosed, but when my second was born I completely lost the plot, it was very bad. I managed to get through that with meds. Was terrified when pregnant again, and although I did get PND again, it was much less traumatic, as I had alerted friends, family and my GP to watch me, and if I did not realise I was slipping into depression, they were to step in, and make sure I got help.
In fact I did recognise it on my own, and about 4 months pp went back on the meds.]]> Sun, 07 Apr 2013 18:07:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41985&PID=5831743&title=pnd-2nd-time-round#5831743 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829747&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829747 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 19 March 2013 at 4:31pm

Oh I'm so glad to hear you have having a better day

The FB group is pretty small, only 4 of us. But yeah, it's there if ever you want to join.

Glad to hear my blog made you feel less alone.]]> Tue, 19 Mar 2013 16:31:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829747&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829747 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829724&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829724 Author: SimplySal
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 19 March 2013 at 1:59pm

Hi Escadachic,
Sorry for the slow response. Its been a full on weekend with a sick baby and more rows and arguments. I think however we've had a bit of a breakthrough and I think Im finally being listened to.
I also need to make an appt with the doc and try to talk about it out loud with someone and see what they say.
Thank you so much for responding to me though. I have read through your blog so thank you for that. It has made me feel less alone and today Im having a really good day...despite the baby still being ill and cabin fever setting in. :-D
Im not quite sure Im ready for the FB group just yet...I will keep it in mind however. Its taken me 5 months to get this far!
Thank you again for understanding. It is much appreciated. ]]> Tue, 19 Mar 2013 13:59:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829724&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829724 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829174&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829174 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 14 March 2013 at 1:00pm

Hi Sarah

Yeah this thread is totally still going. Just because people don't post much doesn't mean they aren't following it.

Like you were saying, no-one mentions the D word and many mum's wouldn't openly admit to having PND. Yet I found when I did tell people I was suffering from it, after having my 2nd child, people on occasion did just quietly admit to having gone through it too.

It's the whole pride thing. As it's always put across by some many mum's that all is good and they are coping and like they wouldn't ever being feeling they way we do.

I can so relate to what you are saying about the hormones and ups and downs you experienced while you were pregnant. I went through that with my 1st and at times go through that with #3, which I'm pregnant with now.

And yeah, caused issue with my partner and I as well. We are still together thankfully. But yeah, I can relate to the wanting to run away or just getting in the car and driving off. I did that a fair few times after having my 2nd.

I too try and hide my depression and cry in private. I don't always like to admit I'm not happy or coping. As I get sick of going back to that feeling.

If you want, you can have a read of my blog. You just click on my name and there should be a link in there somewhere. I started the blog to share my experience of PND.

We do have a secret FB group if you'd like to join. So that means no-one in your friends or family can see you are in the group or posts, because it's secret. Which is great, as you can share honestly in there.

Good on you for posting how you are feeling, that is a big step. As I can guarantee their are others feeling exactly the same, but just not wanting to share with others. The whole pride thing. I guess sometimes we just don't want to admit we feel this way, as sometimes when we do, we don't get the understanding and acceptance we need. ]]> Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:00:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829174&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829174 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829167&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829167 Author: Sarah108331
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 14 March 2013 at 12:14pm

Hi Ladies & Gents (if there are any here),
Im not quite sure that I have PND but I thought that by coming here and writing things down and possibly hearing what some of you guys have to say I may get some answers.
Im a long time lurker of the forum - first time poster.
Ok so here goes - forgive me if I end up on a long winded tangent!

I had my beautiful daughter in October 2012. She was a surprise and although initially I was shocked I soon realised how much I wanted a baby. I soon got excited and when the 12 wk scan came back clear I shouted from the rooftops about being pregnant. Except it didnt last. By about 20 weeks I was feeling sad all the time, fighting with my partner and not really coping too well with all the changes that were going on in my body.
I spoke to my LMC (who was amazing) about these feelings and my partner spoke to her also about it. At the time we put it down to homesickness as Im from overseas and we have no family here in CHCH. Things got a wee bit better after I spoke to my LMC and I started to feel happy again. I got sad again at about the 30 week mark and my gp took note and told me to contact her if I continued to stay that way. The problem is that I was going from High to Low in a matter of days and decided that it must be hormones.
My daughter was born via emergency c-section - it was scary and traumatic and my partner and i were totally not prepared for that to happen. Again my midwife was amazing and spoke to us both about why on many occasions over the following 6 weeks.
I definately had the blues in the days following the birth - my mum and dad came to visit from overseas and I thought that I was getting through it with their support.
Its now 5 months on and every weekend without fail I have a fight with my partner. We both cry and we both feel bad and guilty and I have twice now gotten in the car and driven away...leaving him with our beautiful girl and no notion of where ive sped to or when Im coming back.
He works so hard at being a dad and works so hard at being a partner. If it wasnt for him Im sure we'd live in a pigsty and be starving. He is amazing but I dont give him half enough credit as I feel so hard done by myself but for reasons I dont know.
I feel sad all the time these days. I cry on a daily basis but try to keep it private as I dont want to scare him or make him feel bad. He tip toes around me sometimes and that drives me even more mad. I just want him to be my partner again...I want to be me again....not just someones mum and not just his stay at home help.
I dont really have anyone to talk to about it. All the other mums I know seem to be doing fine and while we talk about things...no-one has really mentioned the dreaded D word and I feel sometimes like I just have to "keep up with the joneses".
Anyway, Im not even sure if this post is still going or if I should even be posting here.
I hope all of you fabulous mums are doing well. My girl is screaming again so its time to put back on the mummy hat!
S]]> Thu, 14 Mar 2013 12:14:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5829167&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5829167 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5826313&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5826313 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 09 February 2013 at 8:37am

If you feel like you are going downhill with your mental health, definitely let the midwife know if you are under a midwife and if you're not yet, let your GP know. As if it's pregnancy related, doctor's visits should be free.

I know how you feel aye. I had antenatal depression with my first(which is during pregnancy), but no PND. I got severe PND with my 2nd and now I'm pregnant with #3, I am worried about the possibility of developing it again.

I have at least been referred to MMH(maternal mental health) already, as I've been struggling with my depression during this pregnancy.

The only advice I can offer if be prepared for the possibility and look out for the warning signs and make sure you tell your midwife if you feel you might be developing it again.]]> Sat, 09 Feb 2013 08:37:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5826313&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5826313 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5826297&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5826297 Author: Holly105406
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 08 February 2013 at 9:38pm

Hi everyone. I wasn't diagnosed with pnd with my first but I'm now 100% sure I was. I recovered over about three years but I'm now in my first trimester of my second pregnancy and worried it'll happen again. I think last time I felt so ashamed of myself, like I couldn't admit such a thing to even my husband, so didn't tell anyone what I was feeling. I had terrible thoughts especially in the first 18months, it really effected my relationship with my son. Any advise? ]]> Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:38:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5826297&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5826297 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826295&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826295 Author: Hopes
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 08 February 2013 at 9:25pm

I'd say it's a fairly harmless way to ease anxiety really. I do understand it's a hard thing to struggle with, and that relying on the monitor might be masking the underlying problem, so it could pay to try and get some help so that you don't *need* to rely on it so much? But for now, I'd keep using it - it's not doing any harm, and I doubt its unusual to use it for a child that age if you don't need it for a younger sibling.]]> Fri, 08 Feb 2013 21:25:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826295&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826295 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826266&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826266 Author: CarrieMum
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 08 February 2013 at 6:13pm

I used my angelcare monitor until DS was about 2 years old so I'd say just keep using it as long as you want to! If it makes you feel better and get a better nights sleep then go for it! All the best with your treatment and moving forward.]]> Fri, 08 Feb 2013 18:13:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826266&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826266 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826176&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826176 Author: shellgirl
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 07 February 2013 at 2:44pm

We used the angelcare with my big boy until he was 19 months old and his baby brother arrived.  Couldn't justify buying a second movement monitor otherwise we probably would have! so we just got a sound one for DS1 and the angelcare went to the baby's bed.  Those first few nights without the monitor on his bed were really hard!!   The baby will probably have it until he moves out of the cot.  So I agree that there is no rush to stop moving it (unless of course you think that it might be making your anxiety worse??)]]> Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:44:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826176&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826176 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826159&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826159 Author: Bizzy
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 07 February 2013 at 12:23pm

i have never used a monitor but i agree with squeak. If it gives you peace of mind keep using it! Pretty sure i have had friends use theirs for as long or longer than that too. ]]> Thu, 07 Feb 2013 12:23:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826159&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826159 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826152&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826152 Author: squeak
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 07 February 2013 at 11:16am

Hey there,

I still use mine and my son is two in April and I will keep using it until he moves out of his cot and into a bed. I don't think you should feel that you are overly anxious by using it- and if it gives you piece of mind why not, that's why I keep using it. Being anxious and worrying can be detrimental to us sometimes but it can also make you a good mum.

Hope that helps some.]]> Thu, 07 Feb 2013 11:16:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826152&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826152 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826145&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826145 Author: EmmaRowell105237
Subject: Angelcare Monitor "Dependancy"
Posted: 07 February 2013 at 10:25am

Hi all - I am brand spanking new here so be kind :-p

I am being treated for depression and severe anxiety and have a nearly 3 year old and a one year old - the only way I could get a good nights sleep due to my anxiety telling me my baby would die every night was to get an Angel Care Monitor but she is nearly 14 months old and I am still using it!!!

I feel like I have piled all my insecurities into the monitor and I am terrified that if I stop using it she might stop breathing. Those without anxiety might think I sound ridiculous but those who suffer will no doubt understand.

Has anyone had a similar problem? How did you ditch the monitor?

Thanks in advance beautiful ladies

Edited by EmmaRowell105237 - 07 February 2013 at 10:26am]]> Thu, 07 Feb 2013 10:25:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=43043&PID=5826145&title=angelcare-monitor-dependancy#5826145 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820135&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820135 Author: confused???
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 28 November 2012 at 5:01pm

I'm trying to get support. Still waiting to get an appointment with a councilor (however you spell it). I have been waiting sort of on and off for about 9 months to a year. Yay for you finally getting an appointment. It's so frustrating having to fight to get help. My plunket nurse is great.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2012 17:01:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820135&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820135 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820132&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820132 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 28 November 2012 at 4:46pm

Yup! Family put their feet in their mouths a lot. Don't think before the speak or necessarily apply this thing called tact.

Do you have any mental health sector support?

I had 'some' when my youngest was an infant, but that didn't help a lot.

I need some desperately and have done for over a year.

And finally after months of hounding the doctors I have an appointment tomorrow.

]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:46:56 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820132&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820132 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820128&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820128 Author: confused???
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 28 November 2012 at 4:01pm

I didn't want people knowing because it seems like what I feared would happen is happening with my family etc as in anything I say now isn't true, has no credibility, my feelings don't matter cos I'm sick in the head etc. I'm not sure my family etc know what pnd is or how it is caused. So frustrating. I have a lot of pride myself. I think I have had pnd issues since after my first child was born but have just masked it or put it down to other things such as low iron. I also went through a stage of not so much no support but very little support or the wrong kinda support. My sil who came back from England has been good. I used to find her so judgemental but after I told her if people knew how their comments really affected me they wouldn't say them. I almost said I wanted to adopt my kids because people's comments had made me feel like such a bad mother. She changed the way she speaks to me after that. Families can be the worst sometimes I reckon. Sometimes they just put their feet in their mouths constantly.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:01:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820128&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820128 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820103&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820103 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 28 November 2012 at 11:31am

Family, they are good at being pretty insensitive and upsetting. I have had my fair share of that from my family.

Oh that sucks you are unable to have anymore. That must be hard.

Yeah it's a bit insensitive for your DH to share that info. I'd feel embarrassed too.

So many people don't get PND or else totally take it the wrong way. Thinking people with PND do crazy things, like try killing their kids, due to news overseas blaming PND in some women for such tragedies.

Nothing wrong with asking how your brothers baby is.

People can be very indifferent I find, when they know you are PND.

But PND doesn't mean we are not right or nutty or anything. It just means our hormones went a bit nuts due to pregnancy and childbirth and it takes a while to get back to ourselves.

It's really common. Just a lot of people have too much pride and don't admit to it.

Just make sure you are seeking as much help and support as you can now.

I lack support and help big time after having my 2nd and still lack support and help to some degree. This being why I have bouts of severe depression. Though at the moment I'm doing well.

I let pride get in my way A LOT and that's not good aye.

]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2012 11:31:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820103&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820103 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820084&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820084 Author: confused???
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 28 November 2012 at 8:47am

Thanks escadachic for your post. Yesterday started off ok but my dad came round to visit and he seems to have a knack for saying the wrong thing.He tells me I am lucky I haven't had a baby the natural way and that longer hospital stays make it easier on mum and baby. I don't feel lucky having had 4 cs. I am lucky to have my 4 kids yes but I have had a lot of problems with having had 4 cs and I can no longer get pregnant because of this. It could be worse but still hard to take when I really wanted an even larger family. Because I have 4 kids however I'm supposedly wrong for feeling down about my birth experiences/ loss of fertility. (I know the same thing can be true though too with vb. I know there are plenty who have had a hard time having been down that road) I had a hard time in hospital too. I missed my family and it was so hard to sleep with people coming in to check blood pressure etc. My husband also really struggled last time round. He was in tears with not having me home so I felt terrible being away from him when he was so stressed.I don't necessarily want someone to agree with me but I want certain family members/ friends to accept that not everyone's experience is the same for the same thing if you get what I mean? It's almost like people think I am incapable of vb due to some flaw in my character, pain tolerance etc etc. Couldn't be more far from the truth! I didn't think there was a pain free way to have a baby whether the pain be before, during or after. Cs is also major abdominal surgery is it not? Things just went downhill from there. Was cooking dinner for my bro and his family and I get a text saying they wouldn't be home as the baby was back in hospital. I then texted back asking if everything was ok and get a cryptic text back which upset me. Am I being to nosy asking if everything is ok? Am I too crazy to handle certain information? I hate it when people withhold information from me because they are scared of the consequences. Makes me feel like I am badly flawed once again. I then got angry at DH for nothing, smashed a plate then went for a 2 hour walk. He told his sister about everything which embarrassed me. I hate people knowing I have pnd and that I am on medication. They also went looking for me because they thought I had done something serious if you know what I mean. I don't need to give people any more reason to think I am flawed. That is the other thing. can a sufferer of pnd simply just pull their socks up? I think not. Is it something they have done that has caused them to get pnd? Oh how wrong people can be. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2012 08:47:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5820084&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5820084 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5819924&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5819924 Author: escadachic
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 26 November 2012 at 4:09pm

Hey we understand

Migraines, they are not fun at the best of times and I feel they can easily tip us over the edge. It's like, everything is too much when you've got a major migraine and kids, they are so much harder to tolerate when you are feeling in pain like that.

Why do you feel guilty? Is it feeling guilty for feeling so low?

As it's ok to not cope. It's ok to have a bad day or even a bad week. It's absolutely normal. Well in my world it is.

You're not going crazy I assure you. But I know that feeling, of feeling like you are going crazy. I've been in that places a few times in the last few months. And with the guilt too.

Snide comments when you are already not feeling so great, I find they easily push you over the edge(not you, I mean people in general who get down)

I've just been dealing with some horrible comments about myself in the last day. Not good.

It's easy to envy what others have. That's human nature too. And try not to feel like less, because you didn't have that natural birth. Most of my friends have had c-sections or assisted delivery, so you are not alone in not having your desired birth.

Good that you have reached out for help at least here.

I'm not sure where in NZ you are, but there are some great crisis and helplines you can call when you are feeling so over it all. I know, I have called them a few times in the last few months.

Kids. I have 2 of them and yup I can so relate to not being able to stand them and just not coping.

I'm here if you need to vent anyway. You are welcome to P.M through my profile if you like.]]> Mon, 26 Nov 2012 16:09:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5819924&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5819924 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5819903&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5819903 Author: confused???
Subject: How is everyone coping?
Posted: 26 November 2012 at 1:42pm

Today I am not coping well at all. Everything sets me off today. First of all, had a fantastic day yesterday. Woke up with a migraine today and it went downhill from there. My sil had her baby last night and I got sent a pic today and had a melt down because there were no details like name etc with it, she is coming out of hosp today which set me off cos she had a vb that took 3 hours and I have never had a baby the natural way, I can't stand my kids crying today and I ended up dropping the kids off late to school and my boy's teacher made a snide comment about that. I feel like I am going crazy! Everything makes me upset esp anything baby,pregnancy or parenting related! Everything makes me feel guilty and I feel like no one understands! ]]> Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13:42:51 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=36210&PID=5819903&title=how-is-everyone-coping#5819903 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42570&PID=5816607&title=pnd-survey#5816607 Author: Hopes
Subject: PND Survey
Posted: 15 October 2012 at 7:20am

I think your links are broken - they're 'mailto' links but I suspect you're trying to link to a page?

Also, for what the feedback is worth, I like to know what the information I'm giving will be used for and whether people have ethics approval etc before I fill in a survey like that... could be worth adding that?

Edited by Hopes - 15 October 2012 at 7:21am]]> Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:20:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42570&PID=5816607&title=pnd-survey#5816607 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42694&PID=5816588&title=is-it-pnd#5816588 Author: JadeC
Subject: Is it PND?
Posted: 14 October 2012 at 7:17pm

It could be PND, or just plain old depression. If you're unhappy, it's worth talking to your GP about it anyway. They can do a proper assessment and give you a better idea than people online can.

I hope you feel better soon.]]> Sun, 14 Oct 2012 19:17:34 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42694&PID=5816588&title=is-it-pnd#5816588 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42694&PID=5816586&title=is-it-pnd#5816586 Author: confused???
Subject: Is it PND?
Posted: 14 October 2012 at 6:52pm


I can't stand pregnant people. My sil is due in Nov and when I found out I acted crazy. I found out tonight my other sil is pregnant and I jumped up and down screaming like a crazy person. I feel like everything I do as a parent is wrong and after number 4 I have grown to find motherhood a chore.


In the last almost 10 years:

I have had one child after a long labour and cs.
I then had a mc.
I had another child of the same gender after trial of labour and cs.
I was upset about the gender.
I found out my eldest has a life shortening genetic condition which I am a carrier of. A spontaneous mutation occurred in my DNA.
I had another child, a girl by cs and finally another girl by cs

I have struggled with feelings of depression etc right from when number one was born.

Could I have PND? What is wrong with me? I feel so insanely jealous. Why?


]]> Sun, 14 Oct 2012 18:52:08 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42694&PID=5816586&title=is-it-pnd#5816586 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42570&PID=5813152&title=pnd-survey#5813152 Author: mothershelpers
Subject: PND Survey
Posted: 10 September 2012 at 10:11pm

There are two surveys being done at the moment to help understand what Postnatal Depression is like for mums in New Zealand. At present there is no official research being done on PND in New Zealand so please contribute to these surveys and pass the links on to any friends/family members you know who currently have PND or have had PND in the recent past - ie. past 5 years:

Post Natal Depression in New Zealand

Feedback on Services from Mums with PND

Only takes a couple of minutes. Thank you! :)]]> Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:11:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42570&PID=5813152&title=pnd-survey#5813152 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5813149&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5813149 Author: mothershelpers
Subject: PND Support on FB
Posted: 10 September 2012 at 10:07pm

There is also this Facebook Group:

PND Support & Social Group

It's a closed group but just request to join.]]> Mon, 10 Sep 2012 22:07:07 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5813149&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5813149 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5810677&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5810677 Author: escadachic
Subject: PND Support on FB
Posted: 22 August 2012 at 9:50am

If you are on FB and want to share more privately, here is the link to the group Ohbaby PND support on FB

It's closed. So only those whom are added can see the posts, not the public.]]> Wed, 22 Aug 2012 09:50:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=42475&PID=5810677&title=pnd-support-on-fb#5810677