I have a nearly 8 year old son with autism he was diagnosed when he was 22 months so Dh and I have been on the fence about the vax ever since. He was fully meeting his milestones than was like BAM straight after his jab he was a completely different baby went from smiling,/looking at you to pushing your face away as he didn't like us looking at him. After his diagnosis we never went back for the 4 year jabs as we are totally petrified on all the IF's which is what it is comes down to and doing what is best for our child/ren.

When DD came along 3.5 years later Dh wanted to get her vax due to measles breakout she got the 6 weeks jabs at 5 months and the 5 months at 11-12 months. When she got the second one she went from babbling/talking lots to being completely quiet so it did raise some alarm bells for us. Luckily she went to her normally self again after a couple of weeks later. She is now 28 months and hasn't had anymore since then and is fully talking and healthy.

weegee wrote: Wow I just wanted to say - a vaxxing debate thread that is civil, and in which vaxxers and anti vaxxers have agreed they have common points! Well done everyone

I was just thinking the same thing!

two_boys wrote: I'm like that too Emmecat, I like all the opinions before I decide the best course of action, I never take prescription drugs without reading the insert and sometimes because of that I will decide not to take them and it's not just medical stuff it's all things I like to make informed decisions not place blind faith in professionals to always have the right answers. A lot of the times professionals change their opinions, have conflicting opinions and so forth. I mean look at all the varying parenting info that is out their and it all comes from "professionals".

lol I'm the same with life in general too

two_boys wrote: Problem is that most GP's have little knowledge on vaccines and the vaccine schedule is not individually tailored to each child and more importantly the schedule as a whole has never been tested for safety. Also if you have a look around it's not hard to find doctors against vaccinations, against so much vaccination or doctors questioning the safety and efficiency of vaccination. I would trust the professionals and the government a lot more if they even went so far as to warn you about the risks, the ones stated in the package inserts by the manufacturers that the government likes to gloss over in it's posters and pamplets but they don't, you only know if you go looking for it yourself.

AGREE

Personally, I'm not ness against vaxxing but I AM against the way it's scheduled in NZ and also that as parents we can't chose what we give our children (as in you can't buy most vax's seperately as you can do overseas). As a result, at this stage I would rather not vax my children at all than over vax them with things that are unnessecary (IMO).

I also have to say that I DO question anything the Dr advises me to do/not do...not because I don't trust him...but because I don't trust him-or anyone- BLINDLY. It's more a wanting to know what and why he's reccomending something (or not) iykwim? He's a GP, not an expert in everything medical. Having said that I also have questioned specialists when they have told me something, just so I understand for my own peace of mind.

Maybe I'm in a minority lol

Raspberryjam wrote: kebakat wrote: linda wrote: two boys, I think you'd be surprised at the number of people that would take that one report as being the 'truth' and basing there decisions on it. The fact that it is a fraud will hopefully make other people research that much harder to work out the so called best decision for them I agree with that. There are people out there who hear things like that and thing OMG I'm not doing that. Its the same as when some people hear blah blah blah may cause cancer or something like that and they immediately avoid anything related to it like the plague without really researching it. sadly there are! after many years working in pharmacy you would be surprised at what people buy or dont buy due to myths and ledgends or keeping up with the jones's

Really?  I find that so weird...and sad.... I believe you but man, what the hell is wrong with people that they can't just do a little bit of investigating themselves on things they're unsure of? Do they just not care or is it plain ignorence?  Who cares what the Joneses are doing?!

I blame the media for alot of these reactions to things as well.  Unfortunately they pick up on these small studies some that aren't even concluded and exagerate the side effects or focus on one possible side effect or outcome.  Its scaremongering and unfortunately alot of people believe what they hear/read. 

I've seen it so many times regarding cancer studies and HRT studies.  Makes me so cross

linda wrote: two boys, I think you'd be surprised at the number of people that would take that one report as being the 'truth' and basing there decisions on it. The fact that it is a fraud will hopefully make other people research that much harder to work out the so called best decision for them

I would be suprised at this Linda...and disappointed if people chose not to vax simply due to ONE paper/item of research. I know many parents who don't vax their kids (and many who do) and of those who don't, none of them have based their decision on this paper.  My choice to not vax my children had nothing at all to do with this paper or the 'threat of autism'. I guess everyone has different reasons though. I'm sure there are pro vaxxing papers/research studies which are just as much a load of bollacks as this one was