https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Thu, 07 May 2026 20:10:33 +0000 Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:23:13 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3399 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65933&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65933 Author: Red
Subject: 3399
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 2:23pm

He didn't take much influencing! Enjoy your last few days at work.]]> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:23:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65933&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65933 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65923&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65923 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 2:12pm

oohhhh sounds lovely Paws!!! ]]> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:12:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65923&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65923 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65871&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65871 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 14 August 2006 at 12:10pm

Well we followed family tradition and our nice new Bosch front loader was delievered on Sunday....I love it!!!
(thanks for influincing B on this one Red!) ]]> Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:10:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65871&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65871 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65697&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65697 Author: my2angels
Subject: 3399
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 8:07pm

I hate folding washing, in fact there is a huge pile on the couch behind me I am trying not to look at.
We do all our washing and drying at night when it flicks over to night rates cos our power bill last month was $500!! Normally its about $200 so I just about died. I reckon it was something dodgy with the oven because someone came to fix it and our daily usage went up but then they came back (cos they hadnt fixed it properly) and all of a sudden the daily usage has gone down again. Plus on a side note I was really really mad because the first guy was useless and unscrewed the wall oven and took it out completely which is not how you are suppose to service it but he didnt put the screws back in so basically it was just sitting in the hole! A huge big double oven that could have fallen out and squashed my baby!!! I was not happy at all.]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 20:07:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65697&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65697 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65632&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65632 Author: james
Subject: 3399
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 3:26pm

i hate hanging out washing aswell jax but funny anef dont mind washing it ]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 15:26:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65632&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65632 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65584&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65584 Author: jax
Subject: 3399
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 11:37am

I would LOVE to have a dryer as I *hate* going outside to hang our laundry, in fact, I hate doing laundry full stop ! Roland always gets annoyed at having to remind me about it.]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 11:37:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65584&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65584 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65565&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65565 Author: nikkitheknitter
Subject: 3399
Posted: 13 August 2006 at 10:23am

Yes Red, but can you put a price on sanity? ]]> Sun, 13 Aug 2006 10:23:03 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65565&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65565 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65509&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65509 Author: Red
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 10:11pm

Gosh, don't you guys have huge power bills with using the dryer all the time?]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:11:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65509&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65509 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65505&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65505 Author: linda
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 10:02pm

I was amazed at the increased washing load with one child but now that we have two it seems like I am forever doing the washing. Our washing also goes straight from the washing machine to the dryer and then to a basket where they sit for about a week. I don't mind doing the washing as I like to have a choice of clean clothes but the folding it not up there as a priority]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:02:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65505&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65505 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65504&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65504 Author: Maya
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 9:58pm

Yay for the car Paws!

I have a Haier washer and dryer and haven't had any probs.]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:58:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65504&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65504 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65502&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65502 Author: Red
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 9:55pm

I like my Bosch front loader, they are a bit more expensive, but you use less water and detergent, and they heat their own water, which I am sure makes a difference in the long run. Only prob is when you have loaded up the washing machine and have started it and then see that you have dropped one sock along the way.]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 21:55:20 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65502&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65502 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65471&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65471 Author: newmum
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 8:57pm

I like front loaders ]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:57:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65471&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65471 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65401&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65401 Author: yalanna
Subject: 3399
Posted: 12 August 2006 at 3:53pm

Whats everyones fav brand of washing machine, ours is slowly wearing out so I am sort of looking for a new one but need to pay off some debts first. (They are preeetty massive at the moment!!)]]> Sat, 12 Aug 2006 15:53:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=65401&title=arghhhhhhhhh#65401 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64906&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64906 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 2:20pm

cool!!!! one down and one to go!]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:20:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64906&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64906 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64873&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64873 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 1:17pm

Right well the car is only going to be around $200 to fix so YAY!!!

Now just need to sort the washing machine.]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 13:17:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64873&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64873 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64864&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64864 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 12:58pm

if you are home paws and doing a load a day 5.5 will be fine, I think we have 6.5 and after seperating we only do 1 load of each]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 12:58:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64864&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64864 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64824&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64824 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:29am

B said we don't have room for anything bigger than a 5-5.5kg washer....boooooo.

Oh well I'll find out the bad news on the car today.*fingers crossed*]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:29:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64824&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64824 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64822&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64822 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:25am

apparently the 8kg dryer costst wice the amount to run, but it looks so huge and cool!!!]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:25:48 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64822&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64822 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64815&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64815 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 10 August 2006 at 10:16am

hmmm yeah I am sure we can rent a bigger one...just never thought to ask.... might look into that if it gets too small when baby gets here... 8kg - THATS AWESOME!!! (how sad that we could get so excited about a washing machine lol!) ]]> Thu, 10 Aug 2006 10:16:11 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64815&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64815 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64725&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64725 Author: Maya
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 6:47pm

Hehe imagine the power bill!]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:47:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64725&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64725 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64723&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64723 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 6:45pm

Fisher and Pykal were testing an 8kg dryer as well, not sure what happened with it, but it was huge, and means that with a bigger machine you can still go straight to dryer!]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:45:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64723&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64723 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64705&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64705 Author: Maya
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 6:03pm

My washer and dryer are both 5.5kgs - straight out of the wash and into the dryer hehe...]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 18:03:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64705&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64705 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64701&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64701 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 5:37pm

woah 3kg OMG....... UPGRADE. we have a F & P 7.5kg and i do a load every day. Imagaine how many loads you will will be doing in a 3kg when you have bubba. Do they rent out any bigger than 3kg? ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:37:26 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64701&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64701 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64697&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64697 Author: jack_&_charli
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 5:19pm

ours is a 7.5-8kg and it's fabulous!!! you can stuff so much into it but the only down side is having to deal with it when it's finished......arghhhh i hate hanging out washing ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:19:18 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64697&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64697 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64631&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64631 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 3:18pm

Or.....
Just a thought, but have you considered that maybe this is the universe's way of telling you to upgrade your washing machine?
My SIL just got a new one, it is 5.5kg and wow! She can do two loads worth at once - really cuts down on her chore time (i am really quite jelous - have considered kickign my poxy 3kg machine but I know dh will jsut get the rental company to drop another one off LOL!) - If you are doing to do the cloth nappy thing (which I think you were from memory) maybe you could decide to see it as an opportunity to get something a litle bigger and better, since you will be doing heaps of washign and all...
Ofcourse budget is a consideration...but maybe just another way to look at it...?]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:18:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64631&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64631 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64626&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64626 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 3:14pm

yeah if you do interest free HP it saves heaps! Good luck with that Paws!]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:14:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64626&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64626 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64624&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64624 Author: Sarah Beth
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 3:10pm

don't forget the interest free HP, I know harvey norman has one at the moment for 19 months (I think)]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:10:54 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64624&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64624 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64572&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64572 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:28pm

Yeah we looked at those but Bond and Bond acutally has one cheaper - $500...we'll have a look at that this weekend I think...plus by then we'll have a better idea what is happening with the car. ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:28:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64572&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64572 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64569&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64569 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:27pm

Hey I know the warewhare has some really cheap. i have no idea of the quality but they are awesome with returns]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:27:27 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64569&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64569 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64567&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64567 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:26pm

some of the places might be doing cheap HP? ie no intrest. Or you could buy a reconditioned one with a warrenty?]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:26:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64567&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64567 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64558&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64558 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:19pm

Ok just looked at the renting thing and to be honest I think for us buying will be the better option in the long run. *sigh* I'm sure we'll find a way to work it out! *positive thoughts* ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:19:02 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64558&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64558 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64556&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64556 Author: Maya
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:16pm

I got my washer and dryer as a combo from Noel Leeming a couple of years ago for $899 for both.]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:16:59 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64556&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64556 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64553&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64553 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 1:09pm

Unfortunately our washing machine is from B's parents and is over 5 years so no luck there. Might look into the renting thing.]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 13:09:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64553&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64553 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64544&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64544 Author: AlyAyde
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 12:37pm

ouch. Doesnt that work out really expensive in the long run?

With washing machines and any appliance really even if you dont buy an extended warrenty you can still approach the manufacturer for help as under the consumer gurantees act you would expect a washing machine to last at least five years. ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:37:36 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64544&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64544 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64533&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64533 Author: mrs frantic
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 12:01pm

oh no, that's just the way isnt it!!!

We rent our washing machine too - we used to own one and it kept breaking and then we just went to DTR and got one from them on rental. THey delivered it and if anything goes wrong they just come and take it away and put a brand new one down in it's place... it has worked well for us. Plus we get a new one every 18 months or so.... I think pay $30 incl per month for ours...
]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 12:01:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64533&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64533 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64520&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64520 Author: jax
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 11:49am

Ok you can ignore that, since you emailed me the info - thanks Paws ! ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:49:04 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64520&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64520 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64510&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64510 Author: jax
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 11:21am

Which mechanic do you go to ? Our car needs servicing pretty badly...]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 11:21:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64510&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64510 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64487&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64487 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:43am

Luckily with the car I use a friends mechanic who has already saved us a small fortune compared to other mechanics...ie....B's car needed minor work done and Honda quoted him just over $200...final bill through this mechanic...$50! So at least I trust him and if it is pricey I know he won't be ripping me off.

Renting a washing machine...might not be a bad idea in the short term at least....hmmmmm]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:43:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64487&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64487 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64470&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64470 Author: Maya
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 10:21am

Bugger Paws! I so know the feeling tho - when Maya was a few months old my washing machine exploded, the dryer died, the fridge died and my car failed it's warrant on about 10 different things all in one week. I think that's when I first found OHbaby! - at least my computer was still going!

Hope the car isn't too $$$ and the washing machine thing gets sorted!]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 10:21:30 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64470&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64470 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64444&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64444 Author: kebakat
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:48am

That sounds really odd with your car. When you find out what might be wrong with it make sure you get a few opinions. Mechanics can vary in price so much and I use quotes I get from places against each other to get the best deal ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:48:44 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64444&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64444 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64423&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64423 Author: mum2paris
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:20am

That's always the way for us. The one thing we have found wonderful though is, we RENT our washing machine - $6 a week for one of the newer models, some people ask why we don't just buy one, well, since you do soooooo much washing with young kids, why buy our own and wear it out.. at least this way, if something goes wrong with it we ring em up and a new one is on our doorstep by the end of the day.. maybe that would be a less costly idea for in the meantime so that you can spend that money on your poor car.

It never rains, just pours.
Hope your day gets better ]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:20:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64423&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64423 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64418&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64418 Author: Paws
Subject: 3399
Posted: 09 August 2006 at 9:15am

Just when we get our loan consolidated and think everything is a little easier...our washing machine goes on the blink so we need a new one because it sounds like it won't be worth fixing it.

Now my car is doing this funky thing where I'm driving along and the engine just cuts out and stops. I can start it up again fine but ARGHHHHHH!!! So off to the mechanic I go tomorrow.

It all happens at once!

Edited by Paws]]> Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:15:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3399&PID=64418&title=arghhhhhhhhh#64418