OHbaby! Forums : Vit K https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ Copyright (c) 2006-2013 Web Wiz Forums - All Rights Reserved. Wed, 08 Apr 2026 14:42:17 +0000 Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:54:38 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 12.05 360 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=12596 <![CDATA[OHbaby! Forums]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_images/web_wiz_forums.png https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/ <![CDATA[Vit K : yeah i get the idea people are...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254580&title=vit-k#254580 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 11:54am

yeah i get the idea people are either for it or against it..its one of those things that people have set views on:) we talked about it and will be getting it ]]> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:54:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254580&title=vit-k#254580 <![CDATA[Vit K : cool..thanks..i will talk to midwife...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254454&title=vit-k#254454 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 9:07am

cool..thanks..i will talk to midwife in depth about it next time i see her.. ]]> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:07:23 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254454&title=vit-k#254454 <![CDATA[Vit K : kawwww wrote:i have strep b...so...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254451&title=vit-k#254451 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 12596
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 9:05am

Originally posted by kawwww kawwww wrote:

i have strep b...so does that mean i definitely will need to give it?


i have never heard that having strep B would warrant the vit K... i had it with gabriel and he didnt get vit K and i was never told i should have it cause i had strep B.]]> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 09:05:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254451&title=vit-k#254451 <![CDATA[Vit K : My midwife said that she would...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254444&title=vit-k#254444 Author: lizzle
Subject: 12596
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 8:52am

My midwife said that she would tell us after each baby was born if she recommended it or not. Jake had a cone head and bruising, so he got it, and when i had Taine i ended up with a different/vague/weird midwife who I have no idea if she gave it to him at all.]]> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:52:17 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254444&title=vit-k#254444 <![CDATA[Vit K : i have strep b...so does that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254439&title=vit-k#254439 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 29 November 2007 at 8:39am

i have strep b...so does that mean i definitely will need to give it?]]> Thu, 29 Nov 2007 08:39:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254439&title=vit-k#254439 <![CDATA[Vit K : Ok haven&#039;t read all the replies....]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254283&title=vit-k#254283 Author: busymum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 7:59pm

Ok haven't read all the replies. Basically we decided not to do vit k unless there were exceptional circumstances. So in the end 2 of them got it haha. The mw was really good about our decision and talked us through the stage of highly recommending it so that we could understand. Basically one was cause of c/s and the other was cause of strep B.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:59:06 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254283&title=vit-k#254283 <![CDATA[Vit K : After a fair bit of reading, we...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254281&title=vit-k#254281 Author: monster
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 7:57pm

After a fair bit of reading, we went with nature probably getting it right, but were prepared to give it if the birth put him at a higher risk. It turned out the birth was straight forward and he was even born in his membranes, therefore nicely cushioned and not bruised. So we didn't give it. Our midwife knew how we felt and we were never questioned about our decision by anyone.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 19:57:29 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254281&title=vit-k#254281 <![CDATA[Vit K : Both my boys got the jab. My feeling...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254251&title=vit-k#254251 Author: mummy_becks
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:39pm

Both my boys got the jab. My feeling was better to be safe than sorry with bleeding as I have bruising issues.

]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:39:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254251&title=vit-k#254251 <![CDATA[Vit K : Although I agree that mother nature...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254246&title=vit-k#254246 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:31pm

Although I agree that mother nature does do a pretty good job, she doesnt always get it right and maybe in the past a lot of babies died from haemorrhage...just like mothers used to die giving childbirth.

It is a hard one to weigh up as there is so much bad stuff around these days that parenting is getting difficult. Which toy can my child play with that hasnt got lead in it etc.

Go with what feels right. All you can do is trust your gut and take into account the current line of thinking.

As far as I am aware, the study that linked it to leukemia was done in one small study of a single population in a single town next to a nuclear power plant or something and the study has never been repeated. That is something I wouldnt take too much from.

You WILL make the right decision and you have plenty more to come. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:31:05 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254246&title=vit-k#254246 <![CDATA[Vit K : I gave c the injection (well actually...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254244&title=vit-k#254244 Author: caitlynsmygirl
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 6:30pm

I gave c the injection (well actually i didnt, the doctor did haha), that was 5 years ago, and shes fine, never had any problems (touch wood)

it really is one of those personal things that is up to the individual-like a lot of matters in parenthood, eg, to work or not to work, to bf or formular feed etc etc , just do what you feel is right for you ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 18:30:16 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254244&title=vit-k#254244 <![CDATA[Vit K : Haven&#039;t read all the previous...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254229&title=vit-k#254229 Author: kabe
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 5:44pm

Haven't read all the previous posts, but our baby got the injection at birth. Seemed more straight forward that going for the oral option.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 17:44:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254229&title=vit-k#254229 <![CDATA[Vit K : We gave it to Lucy and going to...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254205&title=vit-k#254205 Author: Lisha
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:50pm

We gave it to Lucy and going to again with this baby. I haven't done much reading, but thought why not! ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:50:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254205&title=vit-k#254205 <![CDATA[Vit K : GandT ...yes I see that point...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254193&title=vit-k#254193 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:37pm

GandT ...yes I see that point too..i didnt realise all the jabs and prods they go through in the first few months:( ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:37:10 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254193&title=vit-k#254193 <![CDATA[Vit K : oh and the fact that it is a deep...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254171&title=vit-k#254171 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:19pm

oh and the fact that it is a deep muscle injection put me off a little too. as if the trauma of birth wasnt bad enough i didnt want my little darlings being stabbed too.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:19:47 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254171&title=vit-k#254171 <![CDATA[Vit K : Yes I&#039;m very sorry that is...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254166&title=vit-k#254166 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:16pm

Yes I'm very sorry that is why I deleted. I'm sorry to anyone who read it before I deleted it and I'm sorry if I offended or hurt anyones feelings.
I can assure you I am feeling very stink about it.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:16:24 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254166&title=vit-k#254166 <![CDATA[Vit K : we didnt give the vit k injection. It...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254164&title=vit-k#254164 Author: Bizzy
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:15pm

we didnt give the vit k injection.

It is given to prevent HDN - Haemorrhagic disease of the newborn - a coagulation disturbance in newborns due to vitamin K deficiency.

Newborns are relatively vitamin K deficient for a variety of reasons. They have low vitamin K stores at birth, vitamin K passes the placenta poorly, the levels of vitamin K in breast milk are low and the gut flora has not yet been developed (vitamin K is normally produced by bacteria in the intestines).


I would say that nature gets it right too and there may be a reason babies arent born with high vit K... and just becuase something has been done for years - since we were babies - doesnt mean it is for the best.

It doesnt have any effect on kids who are older and in fact a dr told us when gabriel was only a week old that wether we gave it or not didnt matter by then anyway!

Vit K is found is some leafy green stuff like lettuce, is high in green tea and strawberries are also a good source of Vit K. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:15:58 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254164&title=vit-k#254164 <![CDATA[Vit K : I have to say that I too was a...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254162&title=vit-k#254162 Author: BellaBoo
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:13pm

I have to say that I too was a little offended by your post Cuppatea.
This topic is always going to cause a debate which isnt a bad thing as those who dont know much about it can see both sides.
Whatever anyone decides it is ultimately up to them and no one else.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:13:49 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254162&title=vit-k#254162 <![CDATA[Vit K : emz wrote: cuppatea wrote:As...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254152&title=vit-k#254152 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:05pm

Originally posted by emz emz wrote:

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

As for the brain development, perhaps you would have been a bit smarter without it?




That is taken slightly out of context cos it actually read "and me and a whole generation" so was not specifically aimed at emz.
Although like I said I apologize for getting too heated about it and for causing and hurt.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:05:19 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254152&title=vit-k#254152 <![CDATA[Vit K : I haven&#039;t read any of the...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254149&title=vit-k#254149 Author: kebakat
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:03pm

I haven't read any of the replies to this but my 2 cents is below:

We really had no choice when it came to Vit K. DH's mum has a slight bleeding problem (she doesn't clot very easily) and BIL has Christmas disease, which is a bleeding disorder (for example he couldn't get his tonsils taken out because of the risk of him bleeding to death) so with that in mind it was a no brainer for us to give Daniel Vit K. But even if those factors weren't there I think we would have done it anyway.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:03:53 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254149&title=vit-k#254149 <![CDATA[Vit K : I had the jab too, and I deleted...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254148&title=vit-k#254148 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:03pm

I had the jab too, and I deleted my post cos I had took it too far. I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:03:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254148&title=vit-k#254148 <![CDATA[Vit K : cuppatea wrote:As for the brain...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254147&title=vit-k#254147 Author: emz
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 4:02pm

Originally posted by cuppatea cuppatea wrote:

As for the brain development, perhaps you would have been a bit smarter without it?


Ok, so clearly I can't put my point across without being insulted, that's just a bit too harsh cuppatea. Have I insulted your intelligence simply because I choose to give my child something that you don't like? Ouch Like I said, it's a personal choice. But anyway, thanks for basically calling everyone who's ever had the jab dumb.

Shame I saw the post first though wasn't it?

Edited by emz]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 16:02:33 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254147&title=vit-k#254147 <![CDATA[Vit K : Deleted cos I was debating.....sorry...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254138&title=vit-k#254138 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:57pm

Deleted cos I was debating.....sorry Kawww

Edited by cuppatea]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:57:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254138&title=vit-k#254138 <![CDATA[Vit K : Ah the old VitK debate. I covered...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254137&title=vit-k#254137 Author: BellaBoo
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:57pm

Ah the old VitK debate. I covered this in one of the papers I did at uni and all the information I read has made me decide that yes my baby will receive Vit K by injection. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:57:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254137&title=vit-k#254137 <![CDATA[Vit K : yes i do understand that:) ..see...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254131&title=vit-k#254131 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:53pm

yes i do understand that:) ..see i didn't want to start a debate:) thanks for the input guys.. it's one of those things i guess isn't it:) ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:53:32 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254131&title=vit-k#254131 <![CDATA[Vit K : At the end of the day Kawww, I...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254127&title=vit-k#254127 Author: emz
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:51pm

At the end of the day Kawww, I guess you need to weigh up the risks and benefits for you personally. If Vit K inhibited brain development, there would be a lot of morons walking around. I had it and I think I'm quite intelligent

If the cancer risk really bothers you, then don't go for it. But I guess then you should be ruling out coke, oranges, sun, chewing gum etc as well as they all have a 'link' from some research that says they cause cancer.

So the main things I guess to worry about would be:
-do you think your child would have his/her brain development lessened because of this? If so, why do they advocate it? If you're worried about it, you could opt for the oral method which isn't as effective but would let you feel OK about brain development.

-if you have a family history of cancers in young people, that may sway your decision too. I do wonder about this one though, because surely if Vit K can give your child cancer, the risk is there whether you give the injection or not if your breastfeeding.

And then like MeganGrace said above, maybe if you are still undecided, you could put something in your birth plan about only giving the injection in certain circumstances.

I just remember that while mother nature is a wonderful thing, there's a reason why they give this injection and have done for many years (as the number of children being haemophiliacs (sp?) and having other issues with clotting was quite high)

Edited by emz]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:51:14 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254127&title=vit-k#254127 <![CDATA[Vit K : We did it. Mainly because it is...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254122&title=vit-k#254122 Author: aimeejoy
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:45pm

We did it. Mainly because it is a 45 minute drive to the nearest big hospital so if anything were to happen in those first few days, its a long way from help for us.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:45:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254122&title=vit-k#254122 <![CDATA[Vit K : yeah i can see that point as well......]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254116&title=vit-k#254116 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:39pm

yeah i can see that point as well... i was concerned as to why it is the only vitamin that doesn't go to baby through the placenta.. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:39:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254116&title=vit-k#254116 <![CDATA[Vit K : Yes Spencer was in the billibed...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254113&title=vit-k#254113 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:37pm

Yes Spencer was in the billibed too and he didn't have the jab, so I'm aware that it can be caused by other things too. Many docs believe that they are not suppose to have Vit K till the breastmilk comes in because it inhibits brain development. Mother nature has made a big effort to stop the baby getting it until the breastmilk comes in, there has to be a good reason for that!
The chances of a bleed happening in a low risk baby are miniscule, even lower than the link to cancer, so why risk a link to cancer for a bleed that is less likely to occur?]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:37:25 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254113&title=vit-k#254113 <![CDATA[Vit K : lol about the immunisation thing:)...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254112&title=vit-k#254112 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:36pm

lol about the immunisation thing:) (yes it is another thread) nature does know best(generally) but don't get me started on the immunisation thing again:)

yeah it said in the research about how you have to feed a specific way for him to get enough vit K etc.. but yes if i decided not to do it I would be finding out exactly what i had to do.. i think it said something about supplements while I am feeding.. yeah its just so hard to find research that isn't one way or the other.. just stated facts in a pamphlet would be great!!!:)

yeah there are lots of decisions aren't there!!! ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:36:39 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254112&title=vit-k#254112 <![CDATA[Vit K : It does come through in breastmilk,...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254105&title=vit-k#254105 Author: emz
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:33pm

It does come through in breastmilk, but it takes a lot longer to build up the supply, in which time your baby *could* haemorrage if they had a tendency which the Vit K would have stopped. But having said that, it is definitely a personal choice.

I have to disagree with you about the jaundice thing though cuppatea - Vit K doesn't cause jaundice, it CAN cause jaundice, like most things. But something like 50-80% of babies have jaundice and are easily fixed up so it's no biggy.

(Hehe can you tell I was a mello-yello baby? Only 1 day in an incubator for me and I was good as new!)]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:33:00 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254105&title=vit-k#254105 <![CDATA[Vit K : Kawww there is less in breastmilk...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254094&title=vit-k#254094 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:18pm

Kawww there is less in breastmilk but it is all absorbed where as the shot isn't which is why they ram so much into bubs at once.

Natures knows best if you ask me, but then we didn't immunise either and that's a whole other thread....hehehe]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:18:38 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254094&title=vit-k#254094 <![CDATA[Vit K : my husband and I discussed this...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254093&title=vit-k#254093 Author: NovemberMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:16pm

my husband and I discussed this and we said no to Vitamin K unless I had a really short labour or needed and assisted birth.

both of which happened]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:16:41 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254093&title=vit-k#254093 <![CDATA[Vit K : Hey Kawww. We chose not to give...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254091&title=vit-k#254091 Author: cuppatea
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:14pm

Hey Kawww. We chose not to give it to Spencer and I will explain a bit our reasons and also that we didn't make the final decision until the birth.

The research about leukemia is a bit sketchy, from what I found one study found a link then another didn't and then one found a link to child hood cancers but not specifically leukemia, but my general view of the research is that there needs to be more before it is conclusive.
We found that the placenta actually doesn't pass Vit K to the baby (hence the reason they are born deficient) many docs believe this is because vit k inhibits brain development and that is why it is not passed to baby. Vit K is passed in breastmilk so baby will get it. The injection is extremely high dose and contains other crap which quite frankly I didn't want put in my baby. A study in Britain found that if they only gave the injection to high risk babies rather than all babies there would be 7 preventable deaths per year out of hundreds of thousands of babies born, so it is insignificant (statistic wise). The uk are actually looking at stopping mandatory injections. The Vit K injection causes jaundice as well.

Ok. In some instances there is a very good reason for giving the jab, i.e traumatic births, those involving vontuesse (sp?) or forceps, some emergency c/s. So I am not for one minute saying that babies should never be given it. We told the m/w who oversaw my c/s that we did not want the Vit K unless the paed thought that there was cause to give it, in which case the paed would have to come and discuss those reasons with myself (if able) and DH at which point we would decide whether we thought it was reason enough to change our minds. His birth went without any problems and he had no bruising etc and the paed was happy not to give the jab.

Now if you decide not too, expect to have to state it at least 20 times, expect some people to look at you strangely and speak to you slowly like you are mental.......Vit K is informed consent and you have a right to say no, so don't let them rail road you if that is what you choose. Make sure it is written on all of your notes and that everyone knows that you don't want it.
Also if you choose not to do it, you have been on antibiotics as was I and that effects your Vit K production (is produced in the gut and antibiotics would have killed the good stuff that you need). So speak to a health shop, I took probiotics and alfafa to make sure that my Vit K levels were good and that he would get if via my breastmilk.

Ok I think thats it, good luck.........all these decisions are so bloody hard.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:14:46 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254091&title=vit-k#254091 <![CDATA[Vit K : all of my research so far has...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254088&title=vit-k#254088 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:10pm

all of my research so far has been from medical people..:) ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254088&title=vit-k#254088 <![CDATA[Vit K : nzpiper...good point:) easier...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254086&title=vit-k#254086 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:10pm

nzpiper...good point:) easier than when they are bigger and know what to expect when they get shots..:(

i assumed they would have spoken to us about it during the labour class..last week..but we still have four to go so maybe they will then.. yeah the risk is 1 in 60-250 my mw thing said (read yesterday while i was there) and 1 /10,000 have a major problem.. they do get it themselves through breast milk but its much harder to do and they do eventually store it i think?(correct me if wrong) ..

I'm not going into the immunisation debate its raging fiercely on the American site i go to.. boy if you said it was a no-brainer over there they'd go nuts..lol..

I'm 99% sure we will do it..i just wanted to know others thoughts on it .. as for immunisations I've been a teacher for years and totally agree with them(though i did try to get immunised against hep A and B and it didn't work even though i paid for 4 shots(apparently 8% of the population just dont get immune..lucky me:) )

My DH a carpenter so he's had like a million shots esp tetnus(sp?) :) ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:10:13 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254086&title=vit-k#254086 <![CDATA[Vit K : Oh and just to let you know that...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254082&title=vit-k#254082 Author: emz
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Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:07pm

Oh and just to let you know that most medical professionals would not even mention an increased risk of leukemia to you as it wouldn't be conclusive so I would stick to their advice rather than your own research as it's probably propped up by better research than what we can find ourselves.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:07:15 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254082&title=vit-k#254082 <![CDATA[Vit K : I guess it depends on the studies...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254081&title=vit-k#254081 Author: emz
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Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:04pm

I guess it depends on the studies you read and how legitimate they actually are. You'll get told a lot of info about it at AN classes. Basically if you don't give it to your baby, it has an increased risk of haemorraging because it doesn't have the Vit K to assist with the clotting factor. That sounds worse to me that a slim (and possibly not even as high as what you said as you then said about it only being in 1 study) chance of leukemia. You can also give it to bubs through injection or pills, but the injection is easier and has a better success rate.

I haven't even thought twice about not giving it to our baby, I wouldn't want to have to worry every time he gets a bump or bruise about if his blood will clot properly. Just my opinion though, DH and I are human pincushions so it was really a no-brainer for us with immunisations and injections etc (my DH is even immunised against rabees so go figure! )]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:04:55 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254081&title=vit-k#254081 <![CDATA[Vit K : Tom slept threw heaps of blood...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254078&title=vit-k#254078 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:03pm

Tom slept threw heaps of blood tests etc. I think after squeezing themsleves out a tiny whole (gotta be a little uncomfy for them as well I imagine) a lttle prick is nothing.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:03:37 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254078&title=vit-k#254078 <![CDATA[Vit K : good point nzpiper.. i guess its...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254075&title=vit-k#254075 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:02pm

good point nzpiper.. i guess its just one thing i knew nothing about and thought i had better look into..its so hard to find unbiased research about anything these days.. :( !!! ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:02:43 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254075&title=vit-k#254075 <![CDATA[Vit K : yeah obviously under risky circumstances...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254073&title=vit-k#254073 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:01pm

yeah obviously under risky circumstances i definitely would..and I'm pretty likely to decide to get it done anyway just the increased cancer thing really got to me .. ?

i didnt realise babies had so many injections...poor things:) ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:45 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254073&title=vit-k#254073 <![CDATA[Vit K : Hi kawwwww, I was the same as...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254072&title=vit-k#254072 Author: peanut butter
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 3:01pm

Hi kawwwww, I was the same as you with regards to should I/ shouldnt I. As it was Tom was born with a ventouse delivery and had the shot anyway. To be honest I didnt even know it had happened as so much else was going on. It was the last thing on my mind as they took the wee guy to NICU. I made so many big decisions really fast (and easily) because I had to. I had no regrets and was amazed at how easy those decisions were when push comes to shove. Tom had a lumbar puncture at 3 days!!!

One thing that made vit k sit easier in my mind was the fact that we would have had it as a child and we seem ok.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:01:42 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254072&title=vit-k#254072 <![CDATA[Vit K : We did it with all three and will...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254068&title=vit-k#254068 Author: Maya
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 2:59pm

We did it with all three and will do again with iggle piggle. I saw no reason not to, both Maya and Sienna were born after long pushing stages which increases the risk of haemorrage and Mercedes was at increased risk simply because she was twin 2 and birth is riskier for the second twin.]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:59:40 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254068&title=vit-k#254068 <![CDATA[Vit K : For the last few days I have been...]]> https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254066&title=vit-k#254066 Author: ElfsMum
Subject: 12596
Posted: 28 November 2007 at 2:56pm

For the last few days I have been doing research about giving bubs Vitamin K. I don't want to start an arguement or debate or anything I just wanted to know how many of you chose or chose not to give your babies Vit K.

Have so far seen about a 5-10 percent increased risk in leukemia rates in those who had it.. but this was in once study out of 5.. so I 'm still thinking about the shot and reasons for and against.(have several thoughts for an against but just wanted experienced people's opinions.. ]]> Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:56:35 +0000 https://www.ohbaby.co.nz/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=12596&PID=254066&title=vit-k#254066